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11/23/13 4:01 pm | #18496

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Pretty sure decapitations, graphic torture, cannibalism, drug use and alcohol attributed to that. The game also "Talks" about rape and genocide etc. just to name a few topics. Try reading the books sometime.

The Lusty Argonian Maid is a good read.

Not for kids... :no:

:no:

I highly doubt he'll read any of the books, or even be able to understand it, with 1st grade English. The head explosions in Fallout I would say yeah, that's a bit much- but the only thing questionable in Skyrim is when you crit a monster & it shows a death animation- like you sticking your mace in a goblin's neck- but even then, it's pretty tame. Alcohol and drug use? There's taverns, & you can get drunk, but it's not like Mass Effect 2 seeing seductive Asari dancing front & center in Afterlife 1hr in. I remember in Oblivion there's a bit too much demonic stuff happening inside the gates, walking on bridges of human flesh, for instance, but I don't recall that same level of gore in Skyrim. I'm planning to say that this game's more for his Dad, (getting him others too).

At least the box doesn't say 'nudity'. Why does Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 have "nudity" with a Teen rating!? Dammit Morrigan! Cover those puppies up!

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11/23/13 4:14 pm | #18497

Quote by SeanPCannon:

I actually found Fallout 3 ~5hrs in a little underwhelming, but Fallout New Vegas hooked me from beginning to end (I was late in Xbox 360 life cycle so had both at the time), then switched back to finish Fallout 3. I also played Mass Effect 2 before 1. 1 does look a bit dated, but 2 still holds up pretty well.

Speaking of Skyrim, I want to get that for a cool 1st grader for Christmas, but I'm worried about the M rating. I can't for the life of me remember why that game got an M. It's got some "blood" and death animations, but there's no sex & I don't remember anyone swearing. Would love him to play Mass Effect but I won't buy it for him for those reasons. Skyrim however seems perfectly fine, in my opinion.

Well, I was going to say that it seems like an inappropriate gift, but then I noticed you put a COOL first grader. So obviously, nevermind. See, only the nerdy ones get desensitized and jaded by graphic violence. The cool ones are fine with it. Smh

See, when my middle child was 6, his dad decided he was old enough to play gears of war and left 4 dead with him. That was the only interaction my son got from him after we separated, so I let it happen...

Bad idea, because he started drawing pictures of people killing themselves and started acting out and threatening suicide after GoW 2. We stopped violent games for a while, and he's still not allowed to play gears, but he's 11 now and he's shown himself to be quite a nerd. Glasses, love of minecraft and all things steam and all. So YMMV.

Neither Skyrim nor Mass Effect are appropriate for children. Not just for sex or swearing, or violence, but because the reading comprehension level and reasoning ability to get enjoyment out of open world RPGs is far beyond a 6 or 7 year olds grasp. Even a cool one. Even a SMART one. But for real- ask the kid's mom- she might want a say.

Edit- you're comparing it to mass effect to say it's appropriate. Try comparing it to a game actually made for a first grader-- Mario, Lego games, the smurfs, pokemon, etc...

12/31/69 7:00 pm | #18498

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11/23/13 5:19 pm | #18499

Quote by Kat:

Well, I was going to say that it seems like an inappropriate gift, but then I noticed you put a COOL first grader. So obviously, nevermind. See, only the nerdy ones get desensitized and jaded by graphic violence. The cool ones are fine with it. Smh

See, when my middle child was 6, his dad decided he was old enough to play gears of war and left 4 dead with him. That was the only interaction my son got from him after we separated, so I let it happen...

Bad idea, because he started drawing pictures of people killing themselves and started acting out and threatening suicide after GoW 2. We stopped violent games for a while, and he's still not allowed to play gears, but he's 11 now and he's shown himself to be quite a nerd. Glasses, love of minecraft and all things steam and all. So YMMV.

Neither Skyrim nor Mass Effect are appropriate for children. Not just for sex or swearing, or violence, but because the reading comprehension level and reasoning ability to get enjoyment out of open world RPGs is far beyond a 6 or 7 year olds grasp. Even a cool one. Even a SMART one. But for real- ask the kid's mom- she might want a say.

Edit- you're comparing it to mass effect to say it's appropriate. Try comparing it to a game actually made for a first grader-- Mario, Lego games, the smurfs, pokemon, etc...

Agreed there's no way I'd get him Gears of Left for Dead. Skyrim is the only thing I'm questionable about. My logic is that the stuff I know he'll want (the new TMNT game) was rated very poorly. I already got him a 3DS with Mario, Lego etc last year. My issue is that the "good" games tend to skew older. I'm not immune to violence though.

My list now is: Transformers Battle for Cybertron, Ultimate MvC3, Injustice, Dance Central 3, WWE12, Lego Marvel, FFXIII-2. I was on the fence about Skyrim. Comparatively, also thinking Dragon's Dogma, but I think that would be too complicated. He did seem to like Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate on 3DS, though. I'm happy to take suggestions, I just don't want to dumb it down.

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11/23/13 7:00 pm | #18500

Quote by SeanPCannon:

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Pretty sure decapitations, graphic torture, cannibalism, drug use and alcohol attributed to that. The game also "Talks" about rape and genocide etc. just to name a few topics. Try reading the books sometime.

The Lusty Argonian Maid is a good read.

Not for kids... :no:

:no:

I highly doubt he'll read any of the books, or even be able to understand it, with 1st grade English. The head explosions in Fallout I would say yeah, that's a bit much- but the only thing questionable in Skyrim is when you crit a monster & it shows a death animation- like you sticking your mace in a goblin's neck- but even then, it's pretty tame. Alcohol and drug use? There's taverns, & you can get drunk, but it's not like Mass Effect 2 seeing seductive Asari dancing front & center in Afterlife 1hr in. I remember in Oblivion there's a bit too much demonic stuff happening inside the gates, walking on bridges of human flesh, for instance, but I don't recall that same level of gore in Skyrim. I'm planning to say that this game's more for his Dad, (getting him others too).

At least the box doesn't say 'nudity'. Why does Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 have "nudity" with a Teen rating!? Dammit Morrigan! Cover those puppies up!

I'm dumbfounded you only found the crit animations questionable...I'm 26 and found a great deal quite sick and twisted. In good taste but sick and twisted all the same. I fed a priest to cannibals, tortured emaciated prisoners for treasure maps AND got wasted and banged a Hagraven. All within the first 6 hours. It was basically a standard Snapple Cap Friday night.

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11/23/13 7:20 pm | #18501

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Quote by SeanPCannon:

I highly doubt he'll read any of the books, or even be able to understand it, with 1st grade English. The head explosions in Fallout I would say yeah, that's a bit much- but the only thing questionable in Skyrim is when you crit a monster & it shows a death animation- like you sticking your mace in a goblin's neck- but even then, it's pretty tame. Alcohol and drug use? There's taverns, & you can get drunk, but it's not like Mass Effect 2 seeing seductive Asari dancing front & center in Afterlife 1hr in. I remember in Oblivion there's a bit too much demonic stuff happening inside the gates, walking on bridges of human flesh, for instance, but I don't recall that same level of gore in Skyrim. I'm planning to say that this game's more for his Dad, (getting him others too).

At least the box doesn't say 'nudity'. Why does Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 have "nudity" with a Teen rating!? Dammit Morrigan! Cover those puppies up!

I'm dumbfounded you only found the crit animations questionable...I'm 26 and found a great deal quite sick and twisted. In good taste but sick and twisted all the same. I fed a priest to cannibals, tortured emaciated prisoners for treasure maps AND got wasted and banged a Hagraven. All within the first 6 hours. It was basically a standard Snapple Cap Friday night.

That's my point- there are more things besides graphic violence and sex that make something too old for a young kid.

I can't even on this topic, though. I think Meta would have a field day that he's considering Skyrim while passing over Ultimate Marvel V Capcom bc of a word on the box.

The problem with people who don't have kids buying games for kids is that they think a game THEY would like is something a kid would like. One of our members was 13 when Fallout 3 came out and he was dumbfounded that anyone would enjoy it. It was so BORING and he didn't know where to go. It was a few years before he went back to it and actually got into it.

The new TMNT game is a decent game, it's an enjoyable few hours, and it's good for a kid game. The fact that you say "games he would want are bad" means that he DOES have appropriate taste for a kid. You're just being inappropriate by ignoring his taste and pushing what you think someone should want on him.

My youngest wants Disney Infinity for Christmas. I absolutely do not have any desire to play that game. It looks boring. Grand Theft Auto 5 has better graphics, a better story, and has FAR better reviews, though... Guess which one he is going to get?

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11/23/13 7:51 pm | #18502

Quote by Kat:

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

I'm dumbfounded you only found the crit animations questionable...I'm 26 and found a great deal quite sick and twisted. In good taste but sick and twisted all the same. I fed a priest to cannibals, tortured emaciated prisoners for treasure maps AND got wasted and banged a Hagraven. All within the first 6 hours. It was basically a standard Snapple Cap Friday night.

That's my point- there are more things besides graphic violence and sex that make something too old for a young kid.

I can't even on this topic, though. I think Meta would have a field day that he's considering Skyrim while passing over Ultimate Marvel V Capcom bc of a word on the box.

The problem with people who don't have kids buying games for kids is that they think a game THEY would like is something a kid would like. One of our members was 13 when Fallout 3 came out and he was dumbfounded that anyone would enjoy it. It was so BORING and he didn't know where to go. It was a few years before he went back to it and actually got into it.

The new TMNT game is a decent game, it's an enjoyable few hours, and it's good for a kid game. The fact that you say "games he would want are bad" means that he DOES have appropriate taste for a kid. You're just being inappropriate by ignoring his taste and pushing what you think someone should want on him.

My youngest wants Disney Infinity for Christmas. I absolutely do not have any desire to play that game. It looks boring. Grand Theft Auto 5 has better graphics, a better story, and has FAR better reviews, though... Guess which one he is going to get?

I bought Lego Marvel and Disney Infinite for the kids in my family.

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11/23/13 8:04 pm | #18503

Yeah MvC 3 is a given, I just meant the "partial nudity" on the back of the box would raise a lot more eyebrows than "graphic violence" etc. I've never gotten him a game over T, so I'll keep it there. There's always been a lot of shovelwear for kids, I don't want to buy crap. I'll stick with the Marvel stuff, and Injustice. He liked Street Fighter & Monster Hunter, so I was trying to up that.

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11/23/13 8:17 pm | #18504

i played gta 3 when i was 11 and I turned out fine.

kids are going to get those games around that age whether you give it to them or not due to friends having it etc. they will always be exposed to stuff not age appropriate, just make sure they can handle it.

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11/23/13 8:33 pm | #18505

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

i played gta 3 when i was 11 and I turned out fine.

kids are going to get those games around that age whether you give it to them or not due to friends having it etc. they will always be exposed to stuff not age appropriate, just make sure they can handle it.

Listen up mom's. Don't let your kid's play GTA or this is how they will end up :laugh:

:laugh:

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11/23/13 10:37 pm | #18507

Quote by Mudkip:

I've pointed this out before, but anytime age and violence are brought up I like to post my 2 cents.

I played DOOM when I was younger, always sat around watching my dad play DOOM, Wolfenstein 3D and lots other older FPS games. My parents also let me watch some pretty violent movies growing up, Robocop and Terminator 1 & 2 were a few favorites of mine. I'll be 26 in January and I've never acted out,committed robberies,dealt or done drugs, or killed people as much as the media would have you believe otherwise

It all comes down to the parents knowing how their kids will react to these games/movies if they decide to let them watch them/play them at a young age.

Yeah I remember having this discussion before. For what it's worth, Skyrim was the only game I questioned, but your opinions swayed me to save the twenty bucks. They'll probably have more fun with the Kinect, anyway. So Marvel v Capcom 3, Injustice, Transformers Battle for Cybertron, TMNT, Lego Marvel, NBA2k13, WWE13, Madden 13, then Dance Central 3, Kinect Adventures, & that Marvel Kinect game (for now). Shouldn't be anything offensive in there. He thinks Disney is "kid stuff" so I'll save the money on Infinity or Skylanders.

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11/24/13 12:33 am | #18508

Quote by Kat:

I can't even on this topic, though. I think Meta would have a field day that he's considering Skyrim while passing over Ultimate Marvel V Capcom bc of a word on the box.

Hooboy. Yeah, I cant even really this topic without typing a novel and blowing a gasket.

What I CAN say is that MvC3 is incorrectly labeled if it says "nudity".

The difference between partial nudity and nudity, as defined by the ESRB, is that partial shows some skin and may very briefly have exposed breasts on a female character, or depictions in the game of nudity, like say a magazine cover, poster, etc, without a character actually being nude, and male and female butts.

To receive an actual "nudity" in the ratings box, there is supposed to be character nudity that is more than brief and/or naked bodies used in the context of sex without actually showing or describing sex graphically, in which case a "strong sexual content" also has to be tacked on.

At best, MvC3 should get a partial nudity because Morrigan, Felicia and Trish are all showing a lot of skin. No characters are ever actually nude, though, and there is absolutely no sexual content in the game. They don't even made bad double entendres in Morrigan's ending unlike the Darkstalkers games.

Skyrim, on the other hand, has your character graphically decapitating and otherwise maiming numerous different enemies, including humans, with gore and lots of blood.

The example I always cite when talking about this attitude, which I consider incredibly fucked up, backwars and unnatural, is how Jurassic Park 2 and American Pie were in theaters around the same time. JP2 got a PG-13 rating and showed, among other things, 2 t-rexes playing tug of war with a living human before pulling him apart and you get to see his guts slop out and hit the ground. American Pie had people talking about sex in a non-graphic way and showed Shannon Elizabeth's breasts for a few seconds. It received an R rating.

Summary is Americans found it ok for 13 year old kids to watch graphic human death and suffering, but they have to be 18 or with a parent to see Shannon Elizabeth's nipples.

This same fucked up attitude occurs in video games and their rating. I don't know where they managed to find the puritanical old white bitches that make up the MPAA and ESRB, but it is 20-fucking-13 and they need to be violently removed from their positions and replaced by people that prefer for kids to see a human body without clothing rather than a human body without arms.

I'm not advocating that kids be freely allowed access to hardcore pornography, ie graphic depictions of sex, anymore than I am advocating kids be allowed access to graphic depictions of murder and torture.

I think a little blood resulting from violence is ok for a kid to see, as it shows consequence and some reality without necessarily scarring them for life. Similarly, I think it is fine for kids to see naked men or women because 100% of us are human, 100% of us have nipples and 100% of us are naked by default. To me, it is not difficult to draw a line here. When the fantasy violence turns to realistic dismemberment and decapitation, it needs to be relegated to adults-only. When the naked men and women are clearly aroused, or engaging in anything harder than light kissing and petting, then it needs to be relegated to adults-only.

Ok damnit I typed a novel anyway. Oh well. TL;DR = fuck the current American standards they are fucking retarded and inhuman.

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11/24/13 12:52 am | #18509

This discussion seems to pop up about every 6 months or so....

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11/24/13 1:01 am | #18510

Quote by Meta:

Summary is Americans found it ok for 13 year old kids to watch graphic human death and suffering, but they have to be 18 or with a parent to see Shannon Elizabeth's nipples.

I actually passed on seeing who framed roger rabbit in theaters with my mom when I was 13 because the sexuality of Jessica rabbit made the possibility of watching the movie with my mom super awkward. I'd much rather see JP with my parents than Shannon Elizabeth's nipples, so I'd reverse the ratings just on that.

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I think a little blood resulting from violence is ok for a kid to see, as it shows consequence and some reality without necessarily scarring them for life. Similarly, I think it is fine for kids to see naked men or women because 100% of us are human, 100% of us have nipples and 100% of us are naked by default. To me, it is not difficult to draw a line here. When the fantasy violence turns to realistic dismemberment and decapitation, it needs to be relegated to adults-only. When the naked men and women are clearly aroused, or engaging in anything harder than light kissing and petting, then it needs to be relegated to adults-only.

I agree with this. Which is why this was NOT a discussion about violent games causing kids to become violent like SOME people want to argue. It was more about text based games with very adult themes being inappropriate for a Dick and Jane reader. There are things that do not need to be in a child's head. It seems to be a pretty clear line, to me anyway.

But @Snapple and Mudkip- since y'all want to go there... you may feel that you're fine but doctors smoked cigarettes for 20+ years and thought they were harmless. Who knows what you'll be like in 40 more years? There really aren't enough studies to study the long term effects of early exposure to video game violence on young children. And people can overcome a lot of terrible things. Doesn't mean they don't have any bad effects. There really isn't any way of knowing how you might have turned out. ;p

Plus, the line between reality and fantasy is far more blurry now than when we were kids. Graphics, how graphic the violence is and what is allowed to be said and done in movies have all changed since we were younger. There's a hell of a lot of difference just between gta 3 and gta 5!

No, I don't think video games cause violence in someone not inclined to be violent. And yes, the world works against the parent who tries to keep their children innocent, lol. But there's a difference between realizing that and throwing your kid into the deep end of adulthood without a life preserver, lol.

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