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Bioshock 2 was a shitty game compared to 1 and infinite.



For once we can agree on something. Bioshock 2 is definitely the Arkham Origins of that trilogy. Lower quality in all aspects.
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Bioshock 2 was a shitty game compared to 1 and infinite.



For once we can agree on something. Bioshock 2 is definitely the Arkham Origins of that trilogy. Lower quality in all aspects.



In a way, I agree that Bioshock 2 is a shitty game compared to 1 and Infinite.

At the same time, I actually look at them all as 3 different games, despite them all starting with BS. (see what i did there?)

Bioshock 1 is my favourite for the atmosphere it provided on top of the fun; Bioshock 2 is my next favourite because even though it just tacked on more of the same story & less atmosphere and thus it fell short in that regard, it also upped the gameplay in some ways and overall was a very fun experience.

Infinite is actually my third most-liked of the 3 because I felt it too aped on what the original Bioshock was doing and thus fell a bit short, but still had enough of its own things going to be its own game and fun.

I would rate original 9/10, sequel 8/10, Infinite 7.5/10. All fun games that I recommend to pretty much everyone, and probably my most enjoyed FPS on consoles.
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For once we can agree on something. Bioshock 2 is definitely the Arkham Origins of that trilogy. Lower quality in all aspects.



In a way, I agree that Bioshock 2 is a shitty game compared to 1 and Infinite.

At the same time, I actually look at them all as 3 different games, despite them all starting with BS. (see what i did there?)

Bioshock 1 is my favourite for the atmosphere it provided on top of the fun; Bioshock 2 is my next favourite because even though it just tacked on more of the same story & less atmosphere and thus it fell short in that regard, it also upped the gameplay in some ways and overall was a very fun experience.

Infinite is actually my third most-liked of the 3 because I felt it too aped on what the original Bioshock was doing and thus fell a bit short, but still had enough of its own things going to be its own game and fun.

I would rate original 9/10, sequel 8/10, Infinite 7.5/10. All fun games that I recommend to pretty much everyone, and probably my most enjoyed FPS on consoles.



I endorse these ratings.
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I agree with Meta's assessments as well. The first is the best because you had no idea what to expect going in and the awe factor you had from the very beginning bathysphere ride to the very end just made the experience so intense that they were never going to be able to recreate that feeling in any sequel. I thoroughly enjoyed the sequel for its story element and I even had a blast with the MP but it didn't hold a candle to the first. I liked Infinite right up until the end but felt absolutely no desire to run thru it again on a harder difficulty or to mop up any cheevos when I learned there was no alternate endings. I still have it because I have the DLC but haven't played it yet. I really do kinda equate my BioShock experience with that of my Fable experience; having absolutely loved the first, enjoyed the second for the most part with somewhat disappointment in the end.
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Well I just beat Bioshock 2 and while I will say it wasn't as good as the first one, I still very much enjoyed it.
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I like how the Ouya is the butt of the gaming industry, but my little $70 cube sitting above my 360, has every videogame, and arcade game, up to the PS2 era. Yes, you need an external USB drive, & some internet research, but it's HDMI, so all those old games look great on your HDTV. I write this because I'm at the part in FF7, where Cloud meets Aeris, and simple moments like these, on your big fancy HDTV, recapture some of the magic, why that story was good-- and the recent ones are... so crap. The Nostalgia app, for $1 on the Ouya store, gives you a virtual library of all the cover-art, for all your emulators... so I just scroll through thousands of ROMs, with their original box art, by system... &... anyone over 20, should really have this. I include all the N64 ROMs, Mario 64 in 1080p plays awesome... Zelda 64 too. But these old PS1 games, now that I that scroll through them all... I seriously think about Sony's Gaikai business plan... and I'm thinking... guys- I already got your entire PS1 catalog, without the need for the internet. PS2 is already on the cusp, and it won't be long before that's on easy access too. Why are you spending millions of dollars... no, hundreds of millions of dollars... for this Gaikai service? "It'll uprez to 1080p!" was a recent news story in the last few days. Yeah... FF7 looks damn amazing here... my Ouya is doing the same thing. If anyone wants help on setting up what I'm talking about-- I'd say it's an intermediate knowledge- but damn is it worth it.
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Well I just beat Bioshock 2 and while I will say it wasn't as good as the first one, I still very much enjoyed it.



It's not terrible but they think it's better then Infinite which is crazy IMO.
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Well I just beat Bioshock 2 and while I will say it wasn't as good as the first one, I still very much enjoyed it.



It's not terrible but they think it's better then Infinite which is crazy IMO.



I'll start Infinite tonight and I'll give my thoughts.
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Well I just beat Bioshock 2 and while I will say it wasn't as good as the first one, I still very much enjoyed it.



It's not terrible but they think it's better then Infinite which is crazy IMO.



Trying to keep it spoiler free for people who haven't played.

Infinite is not Bioshock and the 2nd is! Of course 2 is the better Bioshock! It's like asking which is the better Heavy Rain game- Heavy Rain or Beyond 2 Souls. Ummm, only one of those is the right series, doesn't matter which is the better game. Infinite jacked a few ideas of Bioshock's, and piggybacked on it. But that's the only connection, and it is tenuous. There are plot holes galore, and no choices you make matter. And killing innocent people sucks. You seriously play an evil character in Infinite, regardless of what you're supposed to think you are, and that's shitty.

It's beautiful, sure. But there's not enough substance behind it to make it stand out as a part of the BS universe. It was the best game that came out last year, IMO- but it was also my biggest disappointment of last year... and maybe the last few.
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It's not terrible but they think it's better then Infinite which is crazy IMO.



Trying to keep it spoiler free for people who haven't played.

Infinite is not Bioshock and the 2nd is! Of course 2 is the better Bioshock! It's like asking which is the better Heavy Rain game- Heavy Rain or Beyond 2 Souls. Ummm, only one of those is the right series, doesn't matter which is the better game. Infinite jacked a few ideas of Bioshock's, and piggybacked on it. But that's the only connection, and it is tenuous. There are plot holes galore, and no choices you make matter. And killing innocent people sucks. You seriously play an evil character in Infinite, regardless of what you're supposed to think you are, and that's shitty.

It's beautiful, sure. But there's not enough substance behind it to make it stand out as a part of the BS universe. It was the best game that came out last year, IMO- but it was also my biggest disappointment of last year... and maybe the last few.



How is it not a valid entry in the series? The games are called Bioshock not Rapture. It has a new setting, with new characters (Adding to the Universe). Your still running around with plasmid's fighting crazed experiments. Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls are just made by the same developer. They have nothing in common whatsoever apart from a few mechanics. I'm pretty sure Ethan Mars wasn't holding back any superpowers or it would have been a much shorter game.

Personally I hated the ending (Maybe more then anyone here). But I also hated Mass Effect 3's ending (And plotholes). Still a great game...
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The lack of meaningful choice was a huge plot point for bioshock infinite.
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The lack of meaningful choice was a huge plot point for bioshock infinite.



The Walking Dead game does the same thing. Your choices just change the obstacles not the destination. Only a few franchises give you control over the ultimate fate of it's primary characters.
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And if anything bioshock 2 is the one that jacked the ideas, since it was not made or designed by the team that made the original bioshock and was a blatant cash grab while 2k waited for Ken levine and his studio to finish bioshock infinite.


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And if anything bioshock 2 is the one that jacked the ideas, since it was not made or designed by the team that made the original bioshock and was a blatant cash grab while 2k waited for Ken levine and his studio to finish bioshock infinite.





Where are you getting your information? 1&2 are both made by 2k Australia and Feral Interactive, albeit with different teams working on both projects they are both largely created by the same people.

"Jacking" ideas from a game that came before it; is that not what a sequel is?:confused:
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And if anything bioshock 2 is the one that jacked the ideas, since it was not made or designed by the team that made the original bioshock and was a blatant cash grab while 2k waited for Ken levine and his studio to finish bioshock infinite.





Where are you getting your information? 1&2 are both made by 2k Australia and Feral Interactive, albeit with different teams working on both projects they are both largely created by the same people.

"Jacking" ideas from a game that came before it; is that not what a sequel is?:confused:



I think he is specifically referring to the writer and director being different. If you get Michael Bay instead of Steven Spielberg for a screenplay is it not a huge difference?
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