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Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 3:53 pm | #496

except you know 2k Boston was the main developer behind bioshock 1 and infinite. Whereas marin was the lead developer behind bioshock 2.

And it wasn't written or had any affiliation with Ken levine.

so no they were not "relatively created by the same people."

Re: Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 3:54 pm | #497

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

except you know 2k Boston was the main developer behind bioshock 1 and infinite. Whereas marin was the lead developer behind bioshock 2.

And it wasn't written or had any affiliation with Ken levine.

so no they were not "relatively created by the same people."

That's why I made the "Arkham Origins" comparison earlier.

Re: Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 4:26 pm | #498

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

except you know 2k Boston was the main developer behind bioshock 1 and infinite. Whereas marin was the lead developer behind bioshock 2.

And it wasn't written or had any affiliation with Ken levine.

so no they were not "relatively created by the same people."

Ken Levine, who is kind of a dbag with one good and the rest shitty ideas... Oh man! It didn't have him?

I'm talking feel. That's all. You guys are taking it totally to a different thought by bringing in developers. Fallout 3 wouldn't be an actual fallout game by those standards, even though it obviously is. 2 was developed as a sequel to the first and written a such regardless of who did it. Of course it "jacked ideas," it was a direct sequel. Considering how great one was, it was never going to be spectacular, but it did what it set out to do and added some new things (like mp). I don't care if CliffyB designed it. Bioshock 2 is clearly the sequel and better Bioshock game. My point with heavy rain and b2s is that they had nothing to do with each other besides who made them. Which is how I feel about 1 and infinite.

Infinite has nothing to do with Bioshock except for the name and some really reaching plot devices. It's not about Rapture, it's the feel of the game. You're not alone fighting crazies, you're fighting people in an excessively populated area. People who believe you're there to destroy them. Which you are. And do. And it sucks. You are, as it turns out, the worst main character in the history of any game ever. Personality-wise. And that, plus the wtf plot that was totally different from what it was sold as a few years ago, tacked on, poorly planned ending help ruin what was a solid game- but not a Bioshock game.

And snapple, you're confusing "major plot point" with "huge cop out." They didn't want to have to resolve dangling plot issues so they made your choices meaningless. You take someone completely innocent, sheltered and unspoiled and expose her to what happens in the game and whether you play through violently or kindly would make a difference. She would not be the same person, you wouldn't be, and the ending wouldn't be the same. That's just a way to try to tie in Bs to the infinite world.

If this game had said "from the creators of the Original Bioshock comes a new game- Skyoshock," or whatever, it would have been fantastic. The references to rapture would have been small winks to the player. And the game is fun and gorgeous and the voice acting is awesome. It would have stood on its own. But they didn't and they lost a lot of fans they could have had for the game. And the most noteable thing about it, long term, is that is comes off as anti-religion propaganda that deeply offended a lot of people.

*/end rant. I'm not going to keep going back to this, I think my position has been stated. *

Re: Re: Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 4:34 pm | #499

Quote by Kat:

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

except you know 2k Boston was the main developer behind bioshock 1 and infinite. Whereas marin was the lead developer behind bioshock 2.

And it wasn't written or had any affiliation with Ken levine.

so no they were not "relatively created by the same people."

Ken Levine, who is kind of a dbag with one good and the rest shitty ideas... Oh man! It didn't have him?

I'm talking feel. That's all. You guys are taking it totally to a different thought by bringing in developers. Fallout 3 wouldn't be an actual fallout game by those standards, even though it obviously is. 2 was developed as a sequel to the first and written a such regardless of who did it. Of course it "jacked ideas," it was a direct sequel. Considering how great one was, it was never going to be spectacular, but it did what it set out to do and added some new things (like mp). I don't care if CliffyB designed it. Bioshock 2 is clearly the sequel and better Bioshock game. My point with heavy rain and b2s is that they had nothing to do with each other besides who made them. Which is how I feel about 1 and infinite.

Infinite has nothing to do with Bioshock except for the name and some really reaching plot devices. It's not about Rapture, it's the feel of the game. You're not alone fighting crazies, you're fighting people in an excessively populated area. People who believe you're there to destroy them. Which you are. And do. And it sucks. You are, as it turns out, the worst main character in the history of any game ever. Personality-wise. And that, plus the wtf plot that was totally different from what it was sold as a few years ago, tacked on, poorly planned ending help ruin what was a solid game- but not a Bioshock game.

And snapple, you're confusing "major plot point" with "huge cop out." They didn't want to have to resolve dangling plot issues so they made your choices meaningless. You take someone completely innocent, sheltered and unspoiled and expose her to what happens in the game and whether you play through violently or kindly would make a difference. She would not be the same person, you wouldn't be, and the ending wouldn't be the same. That's just a way to try to tie in Bs to the infinite world.

If this game had said "from the creators of the Original Bioshock comes a new game- Skyoshock," or whatever, it would have been fantastic. The references to rapture would have been small winks to the player. And the game is fun and gorgeous and the voice acting is awesome. It would have stood on its own. But they didn't and they lost a lot of fans they could have had for the game. And the most noteable thing about it, long term, is that is comes off as anti-religion propaganda that deeply offended a lot of people.

*/end rant. I'm not going to keep going back to this, I think my position has been stated. *

It's one big addition to the franchise was a halfhearted MP that nobody played for more then 2 weeks. In fact you could spend Microsoft points to level up. I'm not sure that was a plus more then it was a negative. Should have focused more resources into some new areas to explore. I found 2's plot to be similar to how your describing Infinite. Tacked on and unnecessary...but I think that's just a taste thing.

/rant

Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 4:40 pm | #500

It's definitely a taste thing. But if you find yourself agreeing with Snapple, you might have bad taste.

For real, he's all "Borat's so great!" "Stepbrothers is the best movie ever!" "High tops and skinny jeans are cool!" "#yolo!"

Hahhahahahahaha

Re: Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 4:42 pm | #501

Quote by Kat:

It's definitely a taste thing. But if you find yourself agreeing with Snapple, you might have bad taste.

For real, he's all "Borat's so great!" "Stepbrothers is the best movie ever!" "High tops and skinny jeans are cool!" "#yolo!"

Hahhahahahahaha

Me and Snapple agree about as much as Hannity and Colmes. It usually peaks at 2-3 opinions a year.

Re: Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 4:46 pm | #502

Quote by Kat:

It's definitely a taste thing. But if you find yourself agreeing with Snapple, you might have bad taste.

For real, he's all "Borat's so great!" "Stepbrothers is the best movie ever!" "High tops and skinny jeans are cool!" "#yolo!"

Hahhahahahahaha

Remember you are the one that agrees with me about fallout new vegas

Also grandma's boy is the best movie.

Re: Re: Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 5:56 pm | #503

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

Quote by Kat:

It's definitely a taste thing. But if you find yourself agreeing with Snapple, you might have bad taste.

For real, he's all "Borat's so great!" "Stepbrothers is the best movie ever!" "High tops and skinny jeans are cool!" "#yolo!"

Hahhahahahahaha

Remember you are the one that agrees with me about fallout new vegas

Also grandma's boy is the best movie.

New Vegas is great. That's just common sense.

Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 6:05 pm | #504

Agreed. These people who think fallout 3 is superior are just crazy hill folk.

Re: Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 8:08 pm | #505

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

Agreed. These people who think fallout 3 is superior are just crazy hill folk.

You can't call the vast majority "Crazy". Sanity is based on popular consensus.

Re: Re: Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 9:11 pm | #506

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

Agreed. These people who think fallout 3 is superior are just crazy hill folk.

You can't call the vast majority "Crazy". Sanity is based on popular consensus.

Fallout 3 has a better core story, but New Vegas is a better game. There's a lot more to explore, & sin city is a better fit juxtaposed with a post-nuclear world. The courier doesn't really have an identity though, and the DLC where your "backstory" is explained, was kind of poor.

I know this is a "bad" idea, but if Mr.House turned out to be Liam Neeson / your father... I'm saying that's bad-- but if it had a more interesting prologue, and followed up on it at key points, that's the only part of 3 that I think did it better.

New Vegas had a lot of freedom. You could literally go from the starting point- straight into Caesar's island- walk right up into his tent- and murder the bastard... you'd have 50-60 guards to deal with, but you can run the hell out of there.

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03/27/14 9:45 pm | #507

Quote by SeanPCannon:

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

You can't call the vast majority "Crazy". Sanity is based on popular consensus.

Fallout 3 has a better core story, but New Vegas is a better game. There's a lot more to explore, & sin city is a better fit juxtaposed with a post-nuclear world. The courier doesn't really have an identity though, and the DLC where your "backstory" is explained, was kind of poor.

I know this is a "bad" idea, but if Mr.House turned out to be Liam Neeson / your father... I'm saying that's bad-- but if it had a more interesting prologue, and followed up on it at key points, that's the only part of 3 that I think did it better.

New Vegas had a lot of freedom. You could literally go from the starting point- straight into Caesar's island- walk right up into his tent- and murder the bastard... you'd have 50-60 guards to deal with, but you can run the hell out of there.

Freedom? Being able to beat the main story in 1 hour or less is never a good thing.

Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 10:15 pm | #508

Yeah but you wouldn't know how going into it cold. Speed runs on Super Mario Bros were done in a couple minutes, that doesn't make it a bad game. Playing SMB the normal way without knowing about warp zones etc can take an hour or more.

Killing Caesar also doesn't end the game... it just really, really pisses off that faction, so you can't be friendly with the legion, ever. You still have to deal with how to deal with mr.house

Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 10:43 pm | #509

The new Metal Gear 10 minute speed run makes me sad.

Re: Re: Random Gaming

03/27/14 10:57 pm | #510

Quote by SeanPCannon:

Yeah but you wouldn't know how going into it cold. Speed runs on Super Mario Bros were done in a couple minutes, that doesn't make it a bad game. Playing SMB the normal way without knowing about warp zones etc can take an hour or more.

Killing Caesar also doesn't end the game... it just really, really pisses off that faction, so you can't be friendly with the legion, ever. You still have to deal with how to deal with mr.house

I agree. Fallout NV was crazy open. Any path in any order, spend hundreds of hours or 5...

I'm not sure that the majority think 3 was better but that's because people I talk to are the PC fallout group, and they like nv better because it's truer to the series. So most of the people who have played the PC games first prefer nv to 3, but I don't know what percent of total players that is.

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