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07/28/13 9:56 pm | #46

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

you mean unfinished like every game bethseda puts out? that's pot/kettle situation. you obviously don't remember FO 3, Oblivion, or SKyrim at launch if you think it was just obsidian.

I beat both Oblivion and FO3 without the internet and it's handy patches and only experienced minor issues. Skyrim remains slightly buggy but might be the best game on the 360 as a whole. NV is by far the worst offender as it hindered me from advancing in the game on multiple occasions and continues to randomly crash on me through multiple copies and consoles to this day. Unfortunately that was just the tip of the glitch iceberg.

Edit: Do I really need to bring up "Alpha Protocol"? Obsidian's batting average has plummeted in recent years.

KOTOR I and KOTOR II are without a doubt two of the best games for the original Xbox but correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't KOTOR I developed by Bioware.

As for Bethesda releasing unfinished games, that's just not true. I've played most, if not all the big RPGs Bethesda has released and I will agree that some games you will experience minor to slightly bigger bugs but that certainly does not constitute these games as unfinished products.

Honestly speaking on Bethesdas behalf, what other developer (besides Obsidian) has the cojones to take on a project as vast and beautiful, with almost boundless choices to make. Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim were all buggy in different degrees but 5 star games rite out of the gate.

Worst glitch for me in Morrowind after playing over 50 hours. All my gear disappeared after I left it in a chest, in my home.

Worst glitch in Oblivion after playing over 50 hours. A character that was following me mysteriously disappeared, I didn't realize, saved my game and was never able to complete that specific quest.

Worst glitch in Skyrim....I'll just be honest there were quite a few but I was still able to finish the game.

Unfortunately a similar issue that all Bethesda games seem to have,would have to be the game freezing randomly. Fucking hate being in the middle of a quest, didn't save and the game freezes. :growl:

:growl:

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07/28/13 10:24 pm | #47

Quote by Miss Allen86:

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

I beat both Oblivion and FO3 without the internet and it's handy patches and only experienced minor issues. Skyrim remains slightly buggy but might be the best game on the 360 as a whole. NV is by far the worst offender as it hindered me from advancing in the game on multiple occasions and continues to randomly crash on me through multiple copies and consoles to this day. Unfortunately that was just the tip of the glitch iceberg.

Edit: Do I really need to bring up "Alpha Protocol"? Obsidian's batting average has plummeted in recent years.

KOTOR I and KOTOR II are without a doubt two of the best games for the original Xbox but correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't KOTOR I developed by Bioware.

As for Bethesda releasing unfinished games, that's just not true. I've played most, if not all the big RPGs Bethesda has released and I will agree that some games you will experience minor to slightly bigger bugs but that certainly does not constitute these games as unfinished products.

Honestly speaking on Bethesdas behalf, what other developer (besides Obsidian) has the cojones to take on a project as vast and beautiful, with almost boundless choices to make. Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim were all buggy in different degrees but 5 star games rite out of the gate.

Worst glitch for me in Morrowind after playing over 50 hours. All my gear disappeared after I left it in a chest, in my home.

Worst glitch in Oblivion after playing over 50 hours. A character that was following me mysteriously disappeared, I didn't realize, saved my game and was never able to complete that specific quest.

Worst glitch in Skyrim....I'll just be honest there were quite a few but I was still able to finish the game.

Unfortunately a similar issue that all Bethesda games seem to have,would have to be the game freezing randomly. Fucking hate being in the middle of a quest, didn't save and the game freezes. :growl:

:growl:

Yes the original KOTOR was Bioware. Obsidian took over and did a good job. I'm one of the few people who thought KOTOR 2 was better then it's predecessor.

Edit: As for devs with cojones...Capcom did a excellent job with Dragons Dogma and CD Projekt Red is looking to rival Bethesda with Witcher III. They also have a project called Cyberpunk 2077 that might just blow the door off the Xboner.

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07/28/13 10:40 pm | #48

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Quote by Miss Allen86:

Is that sarcasm or are you serious? :confused:

:confused:

No offense to Obsidian the developers behind behind great games such as, KOTOR II, Never Winter Nights 2, Dungeon Siege III, and of course "one of my favorite games" Fallout New Vegas but can you honestly say they are the better developer for the Fallout series.

Fallout 3/Bethesda > Fallout New Vegas/Obsidian. <3

I'm curious to see what Obsidian does with South Park The Stick of Truth.

Fallout 3 is by far the superior product. NV was upon it's release a unfinished, unpolished terd that took 5 patches to even be completely playable. I enjoyed it but comparing the two is night and day. One is a masterpiece and one makes me physically ill thinking about how many times I had to restart the damn thing due to glitches.

If this was a "What do you want from Obsidian" thread I would ask for KOTOR 3 as KOTOR 1-2 might be the best regular Xbox games (and certainly best Star Wars) games of all time. Morrowind of course being in contention for the title as well.

Obsidian vs Bethesda is always a fun topic

I don't think they are very relevant anymore though. It's more like Bioware vs Bethesda now.

New Vegas was a much better Fallout. I had no major bugs for either and I played them both at launch. A few freezes here and there, but it was even on both sides so I'm not awarding technical points. It's a shame either game required patches, but all major RPGs do, so finished product to finished product, I'd hand the award to NV. Better story line, better characters, better setting. (I sooo hated the subway in 3. And the dad. And the whole stupid plot).

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Nevermind. I stand by what I said and what I've always said. I do not think recurring themes in media make things "clones" or "copy paste." Even if it did, obviously GoT is not a "copy/paste" of Skyrim, since Skyrim came last. Elder Scrolls games have their own story and mythology. So do the song of ice and fire novels. You can find similarities if you want, but I feel that is cheapening both instead of boosting either. They both stand on their own.

But OMG... The EARTH has cold in the North!!! And we have walls! And legends of dragons, light haired blue eyed killing machines, and Nordic themes, and lands broken up into states with their own rulers who are still ruled by a larger government! Factions fighting for power, religions trying to stay or become relevant and people willing to kill for money completely blind to a greater threat.

They both rip off real life. -_-

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07/28/13 10:47 pm | #49

Quote by Kat:

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Fallout 3 is by far the superior product. NV was upon it's release a unfinished, unpolished terd that took 5 patches to even be completely playable. I enjoyed it but comparing the two is night and day. One is a masterpiece and one makes me physically ill thinking about how many times I had to restart the damn thing due to glitches.

If this was a "What do you want from Obsidian" thread I would ask for KOTOR 3 as KOTOR 1-2 might be the best regular Xbox games (and certainly best Star Wars) games of all time. Morrowind of course being in contention for the title as well.

Obsidian vs Bethesda is always a fun topic

I don't think they are very relevant anymore though. It's more like Bioware vs Bethesda now.

New Vegas was a much better Fallout. I had no major bugs for either and I played them both at launch. A few freezes here and there, but it was even on both sides so I'm not awarding technical points. It's a shame either game required patches, but all major RPGs do, so finished product to finished product, I'd hand the award to NV. Better story line, better characters, better setting. (I sooo hated the subway in 3. And the dad. And the whole stupid plot).

Meta- ...

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Nevermind. I stand by what I said and what I've always said. I do not think recurring themes in media make things "clones" or "copy paste." Even if it did, obviously GoT is not a "copy/paste" of Skyrim, since Skyrim came last. Elder Scrolls games have their own story and mythology. So do the song of ice and fire novels. You can find similarities if you want, but I feel that is cheapening both instead of boosting either. They both stand on their own.

But OMG... The EARTH has cold in the North!!! And we have walls! And legends of dragons, light haired blue eyed killing machines, and Nordic themes, and lands broken up into states with their own rulers who are still ruled by a larger government! Factions fighting for power, religions trying to stay or become relevant and people willing to kill for money completely blind to a greater threat.

They both rip off real life. -_-

NV had a story???? Oh wait you're serious. It literally has 20 minutes of main campaign involving the delivery of a package from A) to B) and the rest are optional sidequests.

Anyways with NV I had glitch after glitch, broken quests, followers disappearing from the game etc.

Never had so many problems just getting through the storyline (Or lack thereof) of a game before. But I suppose if you didn't have these problems it would leave a better impression. Honestly my best memory of the game was beating it in under a hour on my hardcore playthrough.

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07/28/13 10:55 pm | #50

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Quote by Kat:

New Vegas was a much better Fallout. I had no major bugs for either and I played them both at launch. A few freezes here and there, but it was even on both sides so I'm not awarding technical points. It's a shame either game required patches, but all major RPGs do, so finished product to finished product, I'd hand the award to NV. Better story line, better characters, better setting. (I sooo hated the subway in 3. And the dad. And the whole stupid plot).

Meta- ...

...

Nevermind. I stand by what I said and what I've always said. I do not think recurring themes in media make things "clones" or "copy paste." Even if it did, obviously GoT is not a "copy/paste" of Skyrim, since Skyrim came last. Elder Scrolls games have their own story and mythology. So do the song of ice and fire novels. You can find similarities if you want, but I feel that is cheapening both instead of boosting either. They both stand on their own.

But OMG... The EARTH has cold in the North!!! And we have walls! And legends of dragons, light haired blue eyed killing machines, and Nordic themes, and lands broken up into states with their own rulers who are still ruled by a larger government! Factions fighting for power, religions trying to stay or become relevant and people willing to kill for money completely blind to a greater threat.

They both rip off real life. -_-

NV had a story???? Oh wait you're serious. It litteraly has 20 minutes of main campaign and the rest are optional sidequests.

Anyways with NV I had glitch after glitch, broken quests, followers disappearing from the game etc.

Never had so many problems just getting through the storyline (Or lack thereof) of a game before. But I suppose if you didn't have these problems it would leave a better impression. Honestly my best memory of the game was beating it in under a hour on my hardcore playthrough.

I didn't run into a single glitch in NV, but a majority of my friends who played both had tons of problems with glitches in FO 3.

and lol @ you criticizing NV for story when it and it's sidequests were 10000x times better then FO 3 (and dlc was better), idk what you think you saw in FO 3, but take the nostalgia rose tinted glasses off.

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07/28/13 10:57 pm | #51

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

NV had a story???? Oh wait you're serious. It litteraly has 20 minutes of main campaign and the rest are optional sidequests.

Anyways with NV I had glitch after glitch, broken quests, followers disappearing from the game etc.

Never had so many problems just getting through the storyline (Or lack thereof) of a game before. But I suppose if you didn't have these problems it would leave a better impression. Honestly my best memory of the game was beating it in under a hour on my hardcore playthrough.

I didn't run into a single glitch in NV, but a majority of my friends who played both had tons of problems with glitches in FO 3.

and lol @ you criticizing NV for story when it and it's sidequests were 10000x times better then FO 3 (and dlc was better), idk what you think you saw in FO 3, but take the nostalgia rose tinted glasses off.

+10000000000000000000

And snapple doesn't even like RPGs!

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07/28/13 11:04 pm | #52

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

NV had a story???? Oh wait you're serious. It litteraly has 20 minutes of main campaign and the rest are optional sidequests.

Anyways with NV I had glitch after glitch, broken quests, followers disappearing from the game etc.

Never had so many problems just getting through the storyline (Or lack thereof) of a game before. But I suppose if you didn't have these problems it would leave a better impression. Honestly my best memory of the game was beating it in under a hour on my hardcore playthrough.

I didn't run into a single glitch in NV, but a majority of my friends who played both had tons of problems with glitches in FO 3.

and lol @ you criticizing NV for story when it and it's sidequests were 10000x times better then FO 3 (and dlc was better), idk what you think you saw in FO 3, but take the nostalgia rose tinted glasses off.

Dude there is nothing creative about the Yojimbo knock off plot of NV. You work for three sides, pick one and have a terribly dissatisfying final battle. I can accept you not liking Fallout 3's actual plot driven campaign but NV's dlc sucked ***. Point Lookout and The Pit alone were above and beyond better then most DLC's offered during that time period. My personal tastes aside, Fallout 3 is way more critically acclaimed, and sold more copies. I think you just missed the boat on this one.

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07/28/13 11:07 pm | #53

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

I didn't run into a single glitch in NV, but a majority of my friends who played both had tons of problems with glitches in FO 3.

and lol @ you criticizing NV for story when it and it's sidequests were 10000x times better then FO 3 (and dlc was better), idk what you think you saw in FO 3, but take the nostalgia rose tinted glasses off.

Dude there is nothing creative about the Yojimbo knock off plot of NV. You work for three sides, pick one and have a terribly dissatisfying final battle. I can accept you not liking Fallout 3's actual plot driven campaign but NV's dlc sucked ***. Point Lookout and The Pit alone were above and beyond better then most DLC's offered during that time period. My personal tastes aside, Fallout 3 is way more critically acclaimed, and sold more copies. I think you just missed the boat on this one.

FO3 is #1 among gay-mers...

Stop being gay. Start liking good games, Haze.

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07/28/13 11:08 pm | #54

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

I didn't run into a single glitch in NV, but a majority of my friends who played both had tons of problems with glitches in FO 3.

and lol @ you criticizing NV for story when it and it's sidequests were 10000x times better then FO 3 (and dlc was better), idk what you think you saw in FO 3, but take the nostalgia rose tinted glasses off.

Dude there is nothing creative about the Yojimbo knock off plot of NV. You work for three sides, pick one and have a terribly dissatisfying final battle. I can accept you not liking Fallout 3's actual plot driven campaign but NV's dlc sucked ***. Point Lookout and The Pit alone were above and beyond better then most DLC's offered during that time period. My personal tastes aside, Fallout 3 is way more critically acclaimed, and sold more copies. I think you just missed the boat on this one.

the pitt was liquid garbage as a dlc.

point lookout was good, but it doesn't compare to old world blues.

and lonesome road was better than the 2nd best FO 3 dlc (LOL ANCHORAGE AND ZETA so gud m i rite!?)

and you had 4 choices, which only loosely tie together, story wise you could see tons of different things happen compared to fallout 3 aka daddy issues.

reviews, game got picked apart for bugs, when FO 3 got a pass for them because it was "bringing back fallout"

and bringing sales up, srsly? when has that ever determined what game was better then which?

Re: What do you want the most from Bethesda?

07/28/13 11:10 pm | #55

Lol snapple I literally just finished ripping on the pitt in your shout box.

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07/28/13 11:11 pm | #56

Quote by Kat:

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Dude there is nothing creative about the Yojimbo knock off plot of NV. You work for three sides, pick one and have a terribly dissatisfying final battle. I can accept you not liking Fallout 3's actual plot driven campaign but NV's dlc sucked ***. Point Lookout and The Pit alone were above and beyond better then most DLC's offered during that time period. My personal tastes aside, Fallout 3 is way more critically acclaimed, and sold more copies. I think you just missed the boat on this one.

FO3 is #1 among gay-mers...

Stop being gay. Start liking good games, Haze.

Unpopular opinion: Fallout NV is glorified DLC.

Oh yeah I said it.

Re: What do you want the most from Bethesda?

07/28/13 11:13 pm | #57

popular opinion: Haze prefers bad games.

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07/28/13 11:14 pm | #58

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Quote by Kat:

FO3 is #1 among gay-mers...

Stop being gay. Start liking good games, Haze.

Unpopular opinion: Fallout NV is glorified DLC.

Oh yeah I said it.

I wish I could get close to 100 hours out of dlc.

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07/28/13 11:16 pm | #59

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Dude there is nothing creative about the Yojimbo knock off plot of NV. You work for three sides, pick one and have a terribly dissatisfying final battle. I can accept you not liking Fallout 3's actual plot driven campaign but NV's dlc sucked ***. Point Lookout and The Pit alone were above and beyond better then most DLC's offered during that time period. My personal tastes aside, Fallout 3 is way more critically acclaimed, and sold more copies. I think you just missed the boat on this one.

the pitt was liquid garbage as a dlc.

point lookout was good, but it doesn't compare to old world blues.

and lonesome road was better than the 2nd best FO 3 dlc (LOL ANCHORAGE AND ZETA so gud m i rite!?)

and you had 4 choices, which only loosely tie together, story wise you could see tons of different things happen compared to fallout 3 aka daddy issues.

reviews, game got picked apart for bugs, when FO 3 got a pass for them because it was "bringing back fallout"

and bringing sales up, srsly? when has that ever determined what game was better then which?

Lonesome road critic rating: 57/100

This is your best DLC? I think you two are in the minority of liking shit games not me.

Only Old World Blues was even remotely well received. Operation Anchorage was the worst FO3 dlc.

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07/28/13 11:20 pm | #60

Quote by Kat:

Quote by Vermillion Haze:

Dude there is nothing creative about the Yojimbo knock off plot of NV. You work for three sides, pick one and have a terribly dissatisfying final battle. I can accept you not liking Fallout 3's actual plot driven campaign but NV's dlc sucked ***. Point Lookout and The Pit alone were above and beyond better then most DLC's offered during that time period. My personal tastes aside, Fallout 3 is way more critically acclaimed, and sold more copies. I think you just missed the boat on this one.

FO3 is #1 among gay-mers...

Stop being gay. Start liking good games, Haze.

lol Don't worry haze.

People that hate on Fallout 3 are the minority.

Kat- I absolutely love Fallout 3 and I like guys and gals, does that make me gay-mer? Just curious.

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