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Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/11/12 6:32 pm | #3421
Interesting! This is exactly the type of stuff I enjoy.
I also found it weird how both films/stories had a Swedish original film and then a later Western one, and that both were critically acclaimed.
Aidan, you will enjoy the novels immensely, but mind you they are almost exhaustive in their pacing.
Re: Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/12/12 3:31 am | #3422
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Män som hatar kvinnor (Swedish The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo) - 3/4
So I watched the Swedish adaption of the novel, and I'm kind of having contradictory feelings. I believe all the scenes were handled and done much better in the Swedish version, but overall, I'd say I liked the American version better. I'm not sure why, but I think the main reason is that Fincher sets up a much darker and appropriate tone for the film in his version than Oplev does in his. So I would have to recommend the American version to someone who hasn't seen either, though I would also suggest seeing both, as they are both very good films.
One thing I found rather interesting between the two is that the American version omitted several pretty important plot points (in my opinion). I assume the Swedish version is closer to the book, but I want to read it anyway because I'm curious to see which is more faithful to the novel, as part of the mystery is solved in two completely different ways between the two films.
Quote by Aidan :
Yeah Revelation I know what you mean.
If anyone is interested in knowing, the major things I noticed between the two versions were (possible spoilers):
Spoiler: Click here to toggle spoilerthe omission of both Mikael and Lisbeth's backstory in the American version, and how the mystery was solved; in the Swedish version if you go back and watch it again they actually say the answer way before the end, but no one realizes it yet, which of course allows the attentive listener to see through the red herring, but still provides mystery for those not expecting it, which I liked a lot. Also the ending was pretty different.
I'm giving the Swedish version a 2.5/5 and haven't seen the American version yet. I just finished reading the book last week ( and just a over a 100 pages into the 2nd book) and I wanted to watch the Swedish film first. Not being familiar with any of the Swedish actors didn't help but I felt like everyone but Lisbeth wasn't very well cast. It felt to me like they all looked older than they should have. Blomkvist was only supposed to be in his forties but looked well over 50 and was it just me or did he show zero emotion. It seems like he just kept the same straight face through every damn scene. I guessed it didn't help that the whole time I've been reading the books, I've been picturing Daniel Craig. Other than little things like that, I was really disappointed in how much they actually changed around from the book.
Spoiler: Click here to toggle spoiler1. Lisbeth didn't continue to hack Blomkvist after submitting her report for Milton Security and she didn't send him an email about the bible verses. In the book, Blomkvist's daughter visits him and points out the bible references and then he asks the family lawyer about bringing on a research assistant who then recommends Lisbeth. 2. They completely cut out the side plots of Blomkvist's affair with Cecelia Vanger and his on-going love affair with his co-worker from the magazine, Erika. 3. He didn't sneak into Harald Vanger's house in the middle of the night. 4. Martin Vanger crashes head on into the truck and dies in an explosion. He didn't drive off the road and she didn't stand there and watch him die. 5. The police did not show up at Martin's house that night and the family actually cover up the murders. 6. Anita Vanger (the cousin) didn't die in the book. She was still alive living in London after having helped Harriet run away. 7. He serves his jail sentence more towards the middle of the book and writes the big article and book with Lisbeth's help while staying together at his cabin. She ends up falling in love with him but gets her heart broke (so to speak) when she sees him together with Erika at the very end of the book. 8. But the scene that annoys me the most was her flashback scene showing her torch the guy in the car when she was young. Larson did not include that in the first book and I've yet to read about it in the second so I'm gonna be pissed if they gave that away earlier than in the books. All that's been referred to her past so far in the book is her history of foster care and "when all the evil happened."
Sorry for the whole laundry list there but I just couldn't believe how much they changed around. If Larson were alive, I doubt he would have approved many, if any, of them.
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/12/12 5:21 am | #3423
Sorry but I cannot agree the American version stacks up with the Swedish version. At all.
Also, there were a lot of things that were changed in both versions of the movie from the books. That's why you should never rely on just a movie if you want to know all about the fandom. Read the books too. Nor should you rely on reading a summary somewhere on the internet (I've seen people do it and never once picked up the actual novel).
Oh, and you should know that a lot of times authors change a whole bunch of shit around in film adaptations of their books so I don't see how you can say he wouldn't have liked it. Both movies did a good job without the original author around. And I personally have had bad experiences with authors being involved in their own film/tv adaptations (e.g. Sword of Truth novels and the Legend of the Seeker). They try too hard to bring in more people to the fandom and just completely betray the original fans.
Also, it could have been worse. Could have been the 2009 Star Trek.
Oh and by the way you clearly haven't read the second book any further than the first two pages, Irish. I am reading it right now and can tell you what you said in your spoiler list is wrong. No, literally, not further than the first two pages.
Spoiler: Click here to toggle spoilerBut the scene that annoys me the most was her flashback scene showing her torch the guy in the car when she was young. Larson did not include that in the first book and I've yet to read about it in the second so I'm gonna be pissed if they gave that away earlier than in the books. All that's been referred to her past so far in the book is her history of foster care and "when all the evil happened."
Please turn to page 4, 5, and 6 in Girl Who Played With Fire. You'd think a book called such a thing would imply that your statement is incorrect.
Oh, and it's not just any guy. It was explained quite well who it was in the American movie. And the books.
Needless to say some things have to be changed around to adapt to film better. If they had tried to include so many things it would've been hard to keep track of and made the movie longer.
Re: Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/12/12 2:34 pm | #3424
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Oh and by the way you clearly haven't read the second book any further than the first two pages, Irish. I am reading it right now and can tell you what you said in your spoiler list is wrong. No, literally, not further than the first two pages.
Spoiler: Click here to toggle spoilerBut the scene that annoys me the most was her flashback scene showing her torch the guy in the car when she was young. Larson did not include that in the first book and I've yet to read about it in the second so I'm gonna be pissed if they gave that away earlier than in the books. All that's been referred to her past so far in the book is her history of foster care and "when all the evil happened."
Please turn to page 4, 5, and 6 in Girl Who Played With Fire. You'd think a book called such a thing would imply that your statement is incorrect.
Oh, and it's not just any guy. It was explained quite well who it was in the American movie. And the books.
You don't have to sound so damn condescending. I am on page 112, Chapter 8. I had just completely forgot about the prologue while watching the movie last night and when I had first read it, I didn't assume right away that it was Lisbeth he was writing about and it hasn't been mentioned again yet up to where I am in the book. I still don't think they should've included that scene in the first movie and I never said anything about the American version being better. I said I haven't even seen it yet.
Edit: I may have been a little harsh with my initial rating as I'm always a bit harsh in judging film adaptations of books that I really like, especially after the first time I've seen it. Taken just for the film it is and not factoring in how they butchered the book, I'd say it maybe earns a 3.5/5 from me. I just felt they did a poor job of developing Blomkvist's and to a lesser extent Lisbeth's character. I was just not the least bit impressed with his performance as Blomkvist .
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By not illustrating his love affairs with both Erika and Cecelia coupled with the fact that they didn't include any of Lisbeth's dialogue from before they have sex for the first time, they kinda painted him as a horny old dude and her a little whorish for just hopping into bed with him. I thought that made their sex scene kinda awkward. That along with how they changed the ending around really hampered Lisbeth's character development by not showing how she fell for him and got him the Elvis knick-knack and really didn't help to illustrate the kinda relationship they developed.
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/12/12 10:20 pm | #3425
Crazy Stupid Love - 8/10, Pretty good and funny movie.
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/12/12 10:55 pm | #3426
Confessions of a Dangerous Mind - 4/5
I wanted to wait to rate this one as I used it for last night's challenge. I thought Sam Rockwell was great and I continue to assert that he's one of Hollywood's most underrated and underutilized talents. I may have given it a higher rating if I could stand Julia Roberts even a little bit. I usually just avoid films she's in all together.
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/13/12 11:25 pm | #3427
The Descent, 7/10, I've always only seen bits and pieces of it and finally got a chance to watch it straight through and didn't think it was THAT bad, but it did start off slow as hell.
Source Code, 8/10, actually not too bad of a movie, kind of enjoyable for a quick rent.
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/14/12 12:23 am | #3428
Moneyball - 10/10 ...best movie I have seen in a long time.
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/14/12 8:00 am | #3429
I Spit on Your Grave (2010 unrated version) - 4/5 NNR
Very graphic, very disturbing, a well-done movie but certainly not for everyone. They did the rape scene less explicit and gratuitous than the original which is an improvement to me, and the revenge deaths are a hell of a lot more brutal. Excellent acting by the main girl Sarah Butler.
Starship Troopers 3: Marauders - 3/5 NNR
This was obviously low budget as the marines' armor looks bad and the enemy bugs show up rarely & in small numbers, but this captured the particular quirks & features of the Starship Troopers franchise well. The cast put out a lot of effort and the story is interesting if a bit long and winding. Boring at times, only recommended if you are a big fan of the original like I am.
The Devil's Double - 1/5 NNR
This is about a guy that works as a double for one of Saddam Hussein's sons. The movie is paced oddly and ultimately I just found it uninteresting. I wouldn't really say there is anything "bad" about the film technically it just wasn't my thing.
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/14/12 3:33 pm | #3430
contrband 4.5/5 loved every min of it thought it was very good
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/15/12 11:27 pm | #3431
Taps - 5/5
Another one I wanted to wait to rate after using it last night in the screenshot challenge.
I hadn't watched it in years but it was just as good as I remembered. If your not familiar, it's from 1981 and stars Timothy Hutton, Sean Penn and Tom Cruise, all who put in fantastic performances for teenage actors. They play military school cadets who seize control of their campus when they learn the academy is gonna be closed, bulldozed and turned into condos.
I had to chuckle when I recognized a couple of the other young actors for who they've played most recently. A young Charlie Runkel from Californication and Gus from Breaking Bad have supporting roles.
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/16/12 6:06 pm | #3432
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (American) - 4.5/5
Finally got a chance to go see it today and I felt they did a helluva lot better job of following the novel than the Swedish version for a number of things like the cat and little details like Billy's Pan Pizza. Casting is first and foremost. I thought Daniel Craig puts in a much better performance as Blomkvist than Michael Nyqvist did. I think it's a toss us as to who was the better Lisbeth. I thought both actresses did superb jobs. The supporting cast for the American version was far better by leaps and bounds though. Christopher Plummer as Henrik, Stellan Skarsgård as Martin and even Robin Wright as Erika were all way better than their Swedish counterparts. Even the shooting locations seemed better but especially where they chose to shoot the Hedeby Island scenes and the layout of the island seemed to actually reflect the map Larson puts on the inside flap of the hardcover novel. The Swedish version seemed to make the island look a lot bigger than it should have right down to the bigger bridge. They did made a few changes as well but I thought they worked and didn't really contradict the novel too drastically. Other aspects of how they stuck to the book unlike the Swedes:
Spoiler: Click here to toggle spoilerThey show Lisbeth hacking into Wennerstrom's shit instead of continuing to hack Blomkvist and follow his investigation. They actually introduce us to Blomkvist's daughter who helps him understand the bible references. They did a far better job of illustrating the Vanger family history and acting out the flashback scenes of the day Harriet disappears. They show us how Henrik Vanger bails out Millennium by becoming a partner which is part of the ongoing story. I thought they did a much better job illustrating the type of relationship Blomkvist and Lisbeth develop while working together including the ending where she gets the leather jacket for him for Christmas only to throw it in the trash when she sees him with Erika. The only changes that kinda contradict the first novel but don't hurt the story was that Blomvist doesn't learn about Lisbeth's checkered past and that she's a ward of the state until the second book and Lisbeth thinks her first guardian, Her Palmgren, is dead until the second book when she finds out he's still alive from Armansky.
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/16/12 8:33 pm | #3433
Tucker & Dale Vs. Evil - I thought that this wasn't going to be good but I was completely wrong. This movie is really funny and it was awesome I would suggest it to people who like a funny movie I didn't fall out of my chair but I watched it in the waiting room at a hospital and laughed my ass off and people were looking. I would say give it a watch on instant netflix I enjoyed the hell out of it. I rate it a 4.5/5.
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/19/12 1:33 am | #3434
The Change Up - 4/5
I thought it was hilarious! A great twist on the old mind swap story but what made it work was making it raunchy and going for the R rating. Reynolds and Bateman worked well together and Olivia Wilde is hot as fuuuuuck. 
The netflix disc only had the theatrical version so I can't attest as to whether the unrated version is any better.
Re: Rate the last movie you saw.
01/19/12 2:33 am | #3435
Real Steel - 5/5
I absolutely love this movie. The whole thing is good and I can watch it over and over without getting tired of it. I know what I'm asking for next Christmas. Full sized boxing robots. That'd be the shit.
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