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Re: JOBBED again!

09/06/07 6:21 pm | #31

Quote by zoboa:

Jobs is such an arrogant prick. He basically mocks the early adopters, and then acts like he is doing them a favor by throwing them a $100 store credit bone. It's like "here, have a $100 STORE CREDIT to buy more apple stuff if, AND ONLY IF, you paid full price from Apple or AT&T."

It essentially means that they keep the $150 million they already scammed off customers, and its TBD how many people will not only qualify, but actually use the store credit....

This isn't mocking and there's no evidence to support that conclusion. This is a smart business move, and some compensation for those that feel cheated. That's all.

It makes perfect sense to only give the store credit to people who paid the full price from Apple or at&t. This store credit is being given because of the price drop. People feel cheated because they had to pay $600 just a month ago, when it's $400 now. If someone bought an iPhone on ebay for $450... how exactly do they require compensation? This is the same move any company would make.

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Re: JOBBED again!

09/06/07 6:30 pm | #32

Quote by Pastafarianism:

This isn't mocking and there's no evidence to support that conclusion. This is a smart business move, and some compensation for those that feel cheated. That's all.

Please read it again. The first two-thirds of the "open letter" are spent telling people how technology changes, the price drop benefits everyone, apple is the greatest, yada yada yada If that isn't mocking the early adopters, then I don't know what is. He is trying to justify why Apple screwed them with a bunch of junk.

The main point is that the only reason this "open letter" showed up is due to public pressure. it was NOT a smart business move to drop the price $200 two months after release. This weak apology was done because it had to be done. If Apple had some store,they would issue $200 rebates instead of $100 store credit for more Apple stuff.

Quote by Pastafarianism:

It makes perfect sense to only give the store credit to people who paid the full price from Apple or at&t. This store credit is being given because of the price drop. People feel cheated because they had to pay $600 just a month ago, when it's $400 now. If someone bought an iPhone on ebay for $450... how exactly do they require compensation? This is the same move any company would make.

Maybe. Will the people that bought at AT&T get Apple or AT&T store credit? And will it be good online, or will you have to go to an actual Apple store (limited availability) to use it?

The bottom line is that this is a forced response due to public pressure that re-affirms a lot of people's opinions of Steve Jobs and Apple, and may turn off a lot of ardent Apple supporters.

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Re: JOBBED again!

09/06/07 6:44 pm | #33

Quote by zoboa:

Please read it again. The first two-thirds of the "open letter" are spent telling people how technology changes, the price drop benefits everyone, apple is the greatest, yada yada yada If that isn't mocking the early adopters, then I don't know what is. He is trying to justify why Apple screwed them with a bunch of junk.

The main point is that the only reason this "open letter" showed up is due to public pressure. it was NOT a smart business move to drop the price $200 two months after release. This weak apology was done because it had to be done. If Apple had some store,they would issue $200 rebates instead of $100 store credit for more Apple stuff.

Maybe. Will the people that bought at AT&T get Apple or AT&T store credit? And will it be good online, or will you have to go to an actual Apple store (limited availability) to use it?

The bottom line is that this is a forced response due to public pressure that re-affirms a lot of people's opinions of Steve Jobs and Apple, and may turn off a lot of ardent Apple supporters.

Z, I don't think Steve Jobs can ever appease you. Anything he does, including giving out $100 to customers he really doesn't owe anything, you criticize.

When I spoke of a 'smart business move,' I wasn't talking about the price drop. I was talking about the $100 store credit. It improves Apple's look, and really won't cost them all that much. Apple didn't screw anyone, and you're one of the minority with that opinion.

I'm still not seeing how that's mocking. I agree with most of what he said in the open later. We've already been over the nature of technology. The price drop doesn't harm anyone. Those people were willing to pay $600 for their iPhones. Everything he says or does, you spin and pick the worst possible meaning. You are looking for a reason to hate him.

Also, there's no way you have all the details. I absolutely hate when people blindly criticize. It's the same deal with all the criticism for the President. You can't tell me you know the cost of all the components, how they've fluctuated, or any of the other factors went into the price drop. Steve Jobs isn't a dumb ass. No one would have a $200 price drop off a $600 product 2 months in for the hell of it, or just to screw over some loyal Apple fanatics. Get real.

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Re: JOBBED again!

09/06/07 7:02 pm | #34

Quote by Pastafarianism:

Z, I don't think Steve Jobs can ever appease you. Anything he does, including giving out $100 to customers he really doesn't owe anything, you criticize.

When I spoke of a 'smart business move,' I wasn't talking about the price drop. I was talking about the $100 store credit. It improves Apple's look, and really won't cost them all that much. Apple didn't screw anyone, and you're one of the minority with that opinion.

I'm still not seeing how that's mocking. I agree with most of what he said in the open later. We've already been over the nature of technology. The price drop doesn't harm anyone. Those people were willing to pay $600 for their iPhones. Everything he says or does, you spin and pick the worst possible meaning. You are looking for a reason to hate him.

Also, there's no way you have all the details. I absolutely hate when people blindly criticize. It's the same deal with all the criticism for the President. You can't tell me you know the cost of all the components, how they've fluctuated, or any of the other factors went into the price drop. Steve Jobs isn't a dumb ass. No one would have a $200 price drop off a $600 product 2 months in for the hell of it, or just to screw over some loyal Apple fanatics. Get real.

Again, we will have to agree to disagree. Everyone of my PR senses is tingling that this is a major backpedal and CYO move by Apple.

I know you don't think I use information in my posts, but I read the technology and business sections on the web everyday. Apple has seen its stock slide over $10 (7%) in the last two days on their recent news.

Regardless of what you or I think, the majority of Financial Analysts, Tech media and tech columnists think the moves by Apple yesterday and Today (price drop, and holding back the iTouch) were nothing but poor and mis-handled (not my words, theirs).

I know you guys think I hate Apple, which is mostly true. I like iTunes and I like the iPod. Just about everything else they offer is IMO overpriced, over hyped and not worth the money. I dislike Jobs and his Ad agency for portraying and then fanning the flames of arrogance for Apple products and those that use them. I dislike their continual pumping out of "new" technology at a rate much higher than the norm, while they knowingly have the next model just about ready to roll on the back shelf.

And lastly, I dislike the Apple fanatics. I have worked in Ad agencies and PR firms which use Macs extensively. The Apple users have an aura of superiority about them that starts with Steve Jobs and cascades down. All Apple fans can deny it, but it is there and non-apple fans see it. This isn't about PC or MS Zapa (because I know you will try to take it there), this is strictly about Apple.

I have thrown my cards on the table, so now you know why I have the opinions I do.

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Re: JOBBED again!

09/06/07 7:40 pm | #35

off the argument topic: I was looking at the ipod touch and wanted to get one, I would give one of my brothers my nano because that is how we work in this family, as soon as one of us upgrades ipods one of the younger kids get there first ipod so its a double win for us. But after watching the demo were is the check email button!! That is the main thing I would use the ipod for other than music/photos and I do not see it

I know I could check my mail through Verizon's site but I want a email program like the Iphone had. So that kind of made me think so I will be getting the new nano or ipod touch but I will need a few weeks to think on it.

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Re: JOBBED again!

09/06/07 7:50 pm | #36

Quote by alzapa:

off the argument topic: I was looking at the ipod touch and wanted to get one, I would give one of my brothers my nano because that is how we work in this family, as soon as one of us upgrades ipods one of the younger kids get there first ipod so its a double win for us. But after watching the demo were is the check email button!! That is the main thing I would use the ipod for other than music/photos and I do not see it

I know I could check my mail through Verizon's site but I want a email program like the Iphone had. So that kind of made me think so I will be getting the new nano or ipod touch but I will need a few weeks to think on it.

Seems like it needs more memory before I plop down any cash. 8GB is kinda weak for $400....

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Re: JOBBED again!

09/06/07 7:52 pm | #37

Quote by zoboa:

Seems like it needs more memory before I plop down any cash. 8GB is kinda weak for $400....

ya thats true to, I think I might just stick with the new nano, and hay maybe this thing will take a $200 price drop in two months! LOL and Z I was just joking don't use that as ammo lol

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Re: JOBBED again!

09/06/07 8:01 pm | #38

I think I'll take up the iPod classic. 80gb for 250 bones is a steal to me.

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Re: JOBBED again!

09/06/07 8:40 pm | #39

Actually, the $400 model holds 16 gb. I assume that's because of the current limits of flash. I wonder why they couldn't have put a hard drive like the Classics have? I understand the iPhone has a ton of hardware that needs to be packed into the tiny frame... but the iPod Touch doesn't need room for phone hardware, or the camera.

I won't be picking up any of the new iPods because I have one of the last generation that's been holding up well.

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Re: JOBBED again!

09/06/07 8:46 pm | #40

Quote by Pastafarianism:

Actually, the $400 model holds 16 gb. I assume that's because of the current limits of flash. I wonder why they couldn't have put a hard drive like the Classics have? I understand the iPhone has a ton of hardware that needs to be packed into the tiny frame... but the iPod Touch doesn't need room for phone hardware, or the camera.

I won't be picking up any of the new iPods because I have one of the last generation that's been holding up well.

I wonder why they could not put a bigger Hard drive to, maybe its because the stuff that makes safari run(lol I am so computer illiterate) or maybe the wifi stuff took up to much room?

But pasta I would be on the same boat as you about not needing a new Ipod but I have a good excuse to get a new one so I mies well use it

lol

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