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Archived: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

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Re: Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/05/12 10:58 pm | #46

Quote by J1R2D3R4M:

I'm a little more willing to believe that Microsoft would do away with MS points since they already use real money for Games On Demand. The only question I have is, if they were to do away with MSP, would you still be able to buy $20 cards in stores and redeem them or would they expect you to make transactions only from the credit card associated with your XBL account?
(Again, this could just be a rumour- but like I said, this one sounds more believable than some hypothetical system that won't let you play games unless you forked over $60 for it...)

I can imagine they would allow us to buy $ cards in a variety of prices. If not, they are losing out on people who don't use credit/debit cards or not old enough to have one.

Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/05/12 11:15 pm | #47

I am not really sure that they will. The one side I hadn't thought of (I don't remember who brought it up) was that M$ points are a great barrier between some greedy hacker and the people that use LIVE.

Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/06/12 6:11 pm | #48

According to IGN, Saints Row 3 developer Jamerson Durall said that the used game ban would be "fantastic." He is quoted as saying "Personally I think this would be a fantastic change for our business. Even though the consumers would be up in arms about it at first, they will grow to understand why and that it won't kill them."

Wow.

Article can be found here: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1218051p1.html

Re: Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/07/12 2:39 pm | #49

Quote by Mo the Surfer:

I am not really sure that they will. The one side I hadn't thought of (I don't remember who brought it up) was that M$ points are a great barrier between some greedy hacker and the people that use LIVE.

I agree but I do think that MS really wants people to use their CC’s because it’s easier for them. Although CC some companies are making sure other people fraudulently using cards. For example just this past weekend AMEX blocked my card from making a purchase on Xbox Live because I hadn’t confirmed that I made a previous one earlier in the evening. Awhile ago some tools used old codes to make new ones. Though it was only for 120 points(each code), it’s only a matter of time before someone does the same things for $60 cards

Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/07/12 10:55 pm | #50

Hey youse guys did a great job of having a discussion with differing opinions AND managed to remain civil! Well-played all around.

Ultimately I would love to eliminate the middle man between the game studios and my console but that's naive.

Re: Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/08/12 12:20 am | #51

Quote by E Rock 31:

I was just wondering how different it was than “Microsoft to do away with MS points”?

@ TK I couldn’t imagine a world w/o gamestop, I couldn’t imagine paying full price for Conan, any Lego game and a host of others that just don’t warrant their $60 price tag!

That's not what I was saying. Conan and most of those Lego games aren't 60 dollars. I picked up Bio shock brand new for 10 bucks....the used copy was 9 dollars. The NEW price drops over time.

Gamestop (in my opinion) is a parasite on the gaming industry. They buy your used game for a ridiculously low price and then resell it at just a few dollars less then the new copy. Sure you save a few bucks but the game company's never see a dime of that transaction. I buy new as to support the game makers not just a retail outlet.

The deals, or should I say the lack there of, got much worse after GS bought EB. You used to get all kinds of freebies like key chains, tee-shirts, stickers, and demo's when you shopped, not to mention much better trade in deals, before the merger.

Don't get me wrong I'm not against game stores that buy and sell games. There are several in my area. The real problem is the scale at which GS is doing it. When on a mom and pop store scale the game industry isn't taking as big a hit to the bottom line as they do with how GS is doing it.

The big distributors such as Activision and EA can absorb those losses much easier then the smaller studios can. I saw a stat the other day that said Xbox games were by far the most resold and pirated game format. It was shockingly higher than both Nintendo and Playstations combined.

I think for the sake of preserving a healthy diversity of game company's and new innovation in the gaming world, I will pay that few dollars more.

Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/10/12 12:16 pm | #52

@TK: GS a parasite? You waited what a year(probably much, much longer) to buy Bioshock for 10 dollars, so with your theory the judge you’re what a bloodsucker, a leech? Your whole I support the game companies lines is negated by that one line. As for your whole “Mom & Pop” store comment, they were doing the same damn thing for years, buying low, selling high. I remember back in ’98 I traded a couple of games into a local game store I might’ve gotten 20 bucks for like 4 games. The next time I went back I saw one of my games “on sale” for $30. If you want to blame something blame economics, simple supply and demand. The whole “Mom & Pop” store idea has been well overdramatized, the whole big business is bad makes no sense from the consumer standpoint. Just because someone smiles and know your name when they’re ripping you off doesn’t make it any nicer.

Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/10/12 1:02 pm | #53

The thing is that redbox and your local rental store will be shit out luck I believe there will be too much negitive comments from main companies for this to actually happen.

Re: Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/10/12 1:07 pm | #54

Quote by bluntedGRINCH:

The thing is that redbox and your local rental store will be shit out luck I believe there will be too much negitive comments from main companies for this to actually happen.

That's what I am curious about. Blockbuster is in free fall, but what about the other rental companies - Redbox and Gamefly? They won't survive if this comes to pass. Redbox has movies but gamefly survives on game rentals.

Re: Re: Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/11/12 4:08 pm | #55

Quote by Mo the Surfer:

Quote by bluntedGRINCH:

The thing is that redbox and your local rental store will be shit out luck I believe there will be too much negitive comments from main companies for this to actually happen.

That's what I am curious about. Blockbuster is in free fall, but what about the other rental companies - Redbox and Gamefly? They won't survive if this comes to pass. Redbox has movies but gamefly survives on game rentals.

I think you’re wrong about Blockbuster being in free fall. The fallout from the whole Netflix debacle gave them a new life, albeit not from the game rental side. I do think they can make a stand in this market because companies like gamefly and gamemine don’t really have a great deal of customer satisfaction. I’m with gamemine now because of issues with gamefly. But soon I might drop gamemine because I’m not crazy about the service so far. Next I’ll probably try Blockbuster.

Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/12/12 11:21 am | #56

Yeah but whats gonna happen to thses companies when/if xbox dosent allow you to play rented or pre owned games?

Re: Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/12/12 1:37 pm | #57

Quote by bluntedGRINCH:

Yeah but whats gonna happen to thses companies when/if xbox dosent allow you to play rented or pre owned games?

My guess, (and remember, this, like everything else in this thread, is purely speculation) is that the developers would be giving out codes allowing temporary access, keys, if you will, to their games.

For instance, you go to Blockbuster and instead of renting games, you purchase a 5 day access code to the game. This would actually help Blockbuster because you can't steal, damage or lose their games. You get the 5 days that you pay for and then there is nothing to return and no late fees and renewing is as easy as getting a new code.

This, of course, only works for Blockbuster if the game companies are willing to play ball with Blockbuster, by creating a middleman position for them.

This wouldn't just be for rental companies like Red Box and Gamefly, but for Gamestop as well. Gamestop would have to "buy access" to all of the used games they get in and then sell these access codes with all of their used game sales. This is a way to keep the used game market open and still allow the developers to get their cut.

The biggest problem I see with this is that either the developers are still going to take a steep cut whenever a game is rented or bought used, or gamers who buy used are going to get seriously taxed to make the games worth renting or selling used.

Personally, whenever I buy relatively new games, if it comes down to buying new for $60 or buying used for $55, I will ALWAYS pay the extra $5 to assure that the game I bought has never been touched.

Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/12/12 2:56 pm | #58

Those are very good ideas EVOL1, the whole buzz on the issue could be to make a case for a Season Pass or VIP codes for all used games.

One of the biggest hurdles for this is for the gaming public to understand the need for it.

A lot of people think that all of the game company's just Rape money, and roll around naked in it (that's what I would do) and wipe there butts with hundreds. That of course is an exaggeration, but little thought is given to the fact that it costs a lot of Green to make a top A+ title or any game.

This is Big Business. Big Money to pay the people at the top of their fields that make these amazing and increasingly complex games that we pay relatively little for but enjoy for months on end.

Just as an example, Epic has stated that there is 2 million more people with a copy of Gears 3 than was purchased New. If so that would be a 120,000,000.00 dollar loss at the very least.

That's just from one game. If your talking about the industry as a whole, were talking Billions of dollars.

Not exactly chump change.

Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/12/12 4:58 pm | #59

There's just 1 problem with your math. The 2 million people didn't pay $0 for their copy of gears. It's probably more like a 30-40 million dollar hit.

Re: Re: No Used Games On The New Xbox?

02/12/12 7:28 pm | #60

Quote by breesyst10:

There's just 1 problem with your math. The 2 million people didn't pay $0 for their copy of gears. It's probably more like a 30-40 million dollar hit.

He's saying that the company got $0 for all of those copies of the game.

The math isn't necessarily wrong, but the logic behind it is flawed.

The flaw in that logic is assuming that every single one of the 2 million gamers would've bought the game new if there was no way to buy used.

Also, the numbers will be skewed because of households with multiple gamers like mine. We bought 1 copy of GoW 3 and it ended up on 3 different gamertags. That would look, via LIVE, like 2 people had used copies, but they didn't. The same would go for someone who takes their Gamertag over to their friend's house.

Generalized numbers and stats can always be manipulated to make a case one way or the other.

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