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Re: Re: health care passed

03/22/10 8:20 pm | #61

Quote by reed0tuy0u:

this is why from now one i think xbox America should not get involved with politics.

MOST LOGIC FLAME WAR EVER!

You must be 5 years old. does some need some HGH to grow up a little bit and shut the f*ck up.

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Re: Re: Re: health care passed

03/22/10 8:36 pm | #62

Quote by Melissa Evol:

@ Irish, I'm pretty sure this cleared the senate before going to the house. It just has to be signed off on by Obama now.

All I know is it said it's going back to the Senate on the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. I didn't read into it but I imagine they have to approve the changes made to it while it was in the House of Reps.

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Re: health care passed

03/22/10 8:48 pm | #63

Melissa is making some very good points people.

I work for a company that has a union, but it is a weak union, as in, only about 45% of the workers are in it, so we don't have the power to demand better insurance and wages than we get. I made $46k last year, that only came but busting my ass 7 days a week, 9 hours a day. My family coverage USED to be $15 a week, and was awesome insurance, until 5 years ago when our last contract negotiations were under way. Back then, our union was only 30%, and we got raped bad. Our insurance for family coverage went up, I now pay $60 a week, still low compared to Evol. But that is a 400% increase.

On top of that it sucks ass now, we lost all Vision, Dental took a huge hit, it used to be 80%/20%, but is now 60%/40% on regular check ups and 80-20 on major stuff, with a cap of $1000 per family member. That is horrible with today's charges.

Our medical used to be some awesome medical, where we seldom had to pay more than our co-pay, now it is our responsibility to pay the first $2800 in bills. Our job is being nice here, as they take $1200 of that, then we get the other $1600. AFter that it goes to 80-20 with our insurance provider, until we have paid another $1200. That is $6k total in bills, for our part to reach $1200. Then, and only then, our insurance is supposed to pay 100%. We reached that point when Seth was born, due to him being a high risk pregnancy, and those mother fuckers tried like hell to fight not to pay it.

For everyone saying this isn't fair, re-read what I wrote, and then imagine after going through all the shit of a high risk pregnancy, having your insurance company tell the hospital to send you the $45k bill. That's what I make in a fucking YEAR, and they were trying to push it off on me.

I don't pretend to know all the details of this bill, I just know that a lot of people have it worse than I do, and they need it more than me. I am glad this was done.

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Re: Re: health care passed

03/22/10 9:09 pm | #64

Quote by Melissa Evol:

Bay, my point in bringing up your age wasn't meant as an attack, I apologize if it seemed that way. I simply meant you haven't experienced enough of life to have an informed opinion... and fox news is barely news- it's a conservative propaganda machine most of the time.

You need to be out there, living life, seeing what there is and making decisions off that. No offense to the kids on here, but most of you aren't going to make 250k a year. Seriously. I'm not even going to go into how little I feel most of the people who make that much DESERVE their paychecks.

All I can do is look at this from my perspective, which is why I get offended by people saying that the people who benefit from this are all poor or lazy or crack heads. Right now, I'm an unmarried, stay at home mom. I'm not out of work, it's an active choice between myself and Evol. I don't qualify for medicaid because Evol supports me and the kids, and he makes more than 200% of the poverty level for a family of 4. But since we're not married, Evol's insurance won't cover me or my oldest son. When we GET married, his insurance (which is $100 a month JUST for Evol, and only covers 70% of his medical costs, with a very low cap) will jump to over $600, the cap only raises slightly, and the covered % drops. That's 50% more than we pay for rent every month!

Insurance isn't cheap, and because there really isn't a competitive market, consumers are getting reamed. The bill may not be a perfect solution, or even ideal, but it's a start, and it's going to help MILLIONS of people.

When you start your job at chick-fil-a, check out the benefits offered. You'll see that even though most fast food employees work full time hours, they're only hired as part time employees, and are not offered benefits. When they are FT and get benefits, it can cost up to 1/3rd of their income! People ARE taking crappy jobs just to put food on the table, I really believe that- the problem is that there are a lot of people who are barely scraping by after they eat.

No, offense taken by the age comment. As far as your comment towards kids thinking they can make $250,000 this is so true with my generation. Everyone thinks well I'm going to start making top dollar since I have a piece of paper (college degree) when in reality you have to work your way up. I almost positive that the career path I'm going to follow is Aerospace engineering and I should make around $50,000 with no experience which isn't that bad starting out. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Aerospace_Engineer/Salary

I also wanted to state that I believe it is fantastic when given the ability to be a stay at home mom you are. No amount of money you earn can buy back the lost time with your children. I was also unaware that you and Evol were not married, that sucks you can't be put on his policy.

Oh, I understand as far as benefits. My neighbors kid (17) works at our local Kmart part time along with like 60 some other employees of which none are full time so they don't have to provide benefits which is great for the company but sucks for the employees. I do believe the bill allows children in till they are 26? If so this is good for me obviously because, once I'm 20 in theory I should have a 4 year degree (along with aerospace I may attempt to get some type of robotics programing degree) so I have 6 more years covered. Granted this doesn't apply to those just trying to put bread on the table by working two or so jobs. You mentioned just putting food on the table, (people in that situation) I don't see how some people do it. Once I have my job I'm barely going to have enough to pay insurance/gas much less money for food/ feeding a family would be near impossible.

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Everyone having a college education is an American concept. He also told me that 56% of college graduates could not name the three levels of governments and their functions.(according to my civics/history teacher)

@Pure by no means was I saying insurance companies aren't crooked bastards.

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Re: health care passed

03/22/10 10:06 pm | #65

If you don't have to ever worry about finances, you're "upper class".
If you've ever paid attention to income, budget, how much things cost, or anything other than capital gains tax, you're "lower class".

That's it. The government's sliding scale for who does and does not deserve help has nothing to do with your station. Just because I'm below the "poverty" line does not mean I'm poor. I'm actually pretty fucking rich by a lot of standards, including my own.

The government's bracket for me does not define me.

I agree that a lot of good will come from forcing insurance on people and fining them if they don't have it. I also agree that if I had a choice, which I no longer will, I wouldn't get insurance. Of ANY kind.

And I will never be a burden on "the taxpayers" because I AM a taxpayer, I have put far more money into this country than I've ever gotten back from it, and I'm okay with that because despite some philosophical differences between me and the old white women that make decisions for me behind closed doors, I do like this country and I feel overall it's pretty good.

As I pointed out, this particular clinic I go to is privately owned, so it's not grabbing any government monies except whatever kickbacks they get when people that do have Medicaid or Medicare go in there.

I won't pretend that everyone is as lucky as me in this situation, but it does prove that there's a pretty good alternative. On top of that, you're saying it's narrow-minded and selfish for me to consider all this from my point of view, but then you provided 2 paragraphs of you doing the exact same thing to explain why you support this.

I feel our personal points of view are the only way we can legitimately comment on these events and concern ourselves with them.

Overall, I do not at all believe in giving my money to strangers or a company "just in case" something bad happens, because it is fueling a bloated mass of red tape. I don't want the government acting as my safety net, I don't want senior citizens' donut holes acting as my safety net, I don't want a safety net period.

That used to be my choice, however stupid it is. Now it won't be a choice. That's the long and short of it as it applies to me. If I had a family of my own, a wife and kids, that regularly needed medical attention or at least I wanted to keep them in good health and get regular checkups and all that good stuff, then I am sure I might feel differently about all this. And for people that do have serious medical conditions, not just things that can be nickered away by a week of Amoxicillin, I think this bill's capping of expenses and letting the government system deal with the rest can be a very good thing.

I don't expect people to feel exactly the same way I do, especially not when their situation is completely different.

There's no need to get angry about it though, at least not here. Get angry at the politicians spending your money.

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