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Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 10:02 am | #2
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I don't understand what the Droids have to do with the xbox. Does anyone know?
Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 10:08 am | #3
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People still use Motorola phones?
Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 11:04 am | #4
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i saw this early today and its not big deal if you really think about it,if a ban does happen it wont happen for a while (my opinion is 2 years+) and by that time the next xbox will be out.
Re: Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 11:22 am | #5
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I don't understand what the Droids have to do with the xbox. Does anyone know?
They use the same technology to transfer information wirelessly. This technology is owned and patented by Motorola. Microsoft is using that technology without paying Motorola their share.
Re: Re: Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 11:47 am | #6
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I don't understand what the Droids have to do with the xbox. Does anyone know?
They use the same technology to transfer information wirelessly. This technology is owned and patented by Motorola. Microsoft is using that technology without paying Motorola their share.
So those are the Droids they're looking for...
Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 12:16 pm | #7
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Xbox won't be banned. Too much commercialism. There will be something worked out.
Re: Re: Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 1:01 pm | #8
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I don't understand what the Droids have to do with the xbox. Does anyone know?
They use the same technology to transfer information wirelessly. This technology is owned and patented by Motorola. Microsoft is using that technology without paying Motorola their share.
This, sort of, but it's a bit more complicated.
Microsoft and Android are battling on multiple fronts. They've each managed to get systems banned for patent infringement. Both sides are crying foul at having their technology used, while claiming the technology they are using is open use.
It boils down to three facts- one, these companies share technology and have been through verbal agreements for a long time. Two, google is buying out Motorola mobility, and basically only stands to gain ANYTHING out of the deal if Motorola enforces their patents. And 3, Microsoft and Apple feel that the licensing fees for motorola's technology are too much, and not equal to the rest of the industry.
It's a bunch of crap, but the fact is the judicial system is too out of touch to accurately rule on this type of stuff. Need proof? From the judge recommending the ban:
"[Microsoft’s] argument is not persuasive,” says Shaw, “It has not been alleged or shown that Sony or Nintendo would fail to meet the demand for consumer video gaming consoles in the event that an exclusion order [was] issued.”
Can you say economic collapse? Video games aren't just for kids and virgins anymore, dude, and the 360 has become the core of the industry in the US.
Re: Re: Re: Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 2:42 pm | #9
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This, sort of, but it's a bit more complicated.
Microsoft and Android are battling on multiple fronts. They've each managed to get systems banned for patent infringement. Both sides are crying foul at having their technology used, while claiming the technology they are using is open use.
It boils down to three facts- one, these companies share technology and have been through verbal agreements for a long time. Two, google is buying out Motorola mobility, and basically only stands to gain ANYTHING out of the deal if Motorola enforces their patents. And 3, Microsoft and Apple feel that the licensing fees for motorola's technology are too much, and not equal to the rest of the industry.
It's a bunch of crap, but the fact is the judicial system is too out of touch to accurately rule on this type of stuff. Need proof? From the judge recommending the ban:
"[Microsoft’s] argument is not persuasive,” says Shaw, “It has not been alleged or shown that Sony or Nintendo would fail to meet the demand for consumer video gaming consoles in the event that an exclusion order [was] issued.”
Can you say economic collapse? Video games aren't just for kids and virgins anymore, dude, and the 360 has become the core of the industry in the US.
First off...I lolled hard at the virgins thing.
Okay, maybe I am missing something here at the moment and someone can explain. I understand what is going on with the court case and basically what the order entails. So it would mean that no more 360s of the 4GB and 250GB slim variety could be shipped to the US and I am under the assumption that it would also prevent stores from selling current inventory, correct?
The problem of where my confusion lies is that many people seem to think this will somehow prevent the units already sold from working - ie they will do an update that 'bricks' them. To me this makes no sense as it's not the consumer's fault that copyrights were infringed/violated/ignored/w/e. However plenty of people seem to be talking this way.
The prevention of future sales of these things will hurt MS enough, why would they punish hundreds of thousands of consumers who have already purchased these products?
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05/25/12 2:57 pm | #10
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Quote by Kat:
This, sort of, but it's a bit more complicated.
Microsoft and Android are battling on multiple fronts. They've each managed to get systems banned for patent infringement. Both sides are crying foul at having their technology used, while claiming the technology they are using is open use.
It boils down to three facts- one, these companies share technology and have been through verbal agreements for a long time. Two, google is buying out Motorola mobility, and basically only stands to gain ANYTHING out of the deal if Motorola enforces their patents. And 3, Microsoft and Apple feel that the licensing fees for motorola's technology are too much, and not equal to the rest of the industry.
It's a bunch of crap, but the fact is the judicial system is too out of touch to accurately rule on this type of stuff. Need proof? From the judge recommending the ban:
"[Microsoft’s] argument is not persuasive,” says Shaw, “It has not been alleged or shown that Sony or Nintendo would fail to meet the demand for consumer video gaming consoles in the event that an exclusion order [was] issued.”
Can you say economic collapse? Video games aren't just for kids and virgins anymore, dude, and the 360 has become the core of the industry in the US.
First off...I lolled hard at the virgins thing.
Okay, maybe I am missing something here at the moment and someone can explain. I understand what is going on with the court case and basically what the order entails. So it would mean that no more 360s of the 4GB and 250GB slim variety could be shipped to the US and I am under the assumption that it would also prevent stores from selling current inventory, correct?
The problem of where my confusion lies is that many people seem to think this will somehow prevent the units already sold from working - ie they will do an update that 'bricks' them. To me this makes no sense as it's not the consumer's fault that copyrights were infringed/violated/ignored/w/e. However plenty of people seem to be talking this way.
The prevention of future sales of these things will hurt MS enough, why would they punish hundreds of thousands of consumers who have already purchased these products?
If nothing changes in the next few months, and MS doesn't pay the $4.4 mil/ year fee, there will be no new sales allowed, not sure about used. From what I read, it's not just the slims that are being targeted, but also wireless controllers? Worst case scenario, MS drops out of the console industry and take down XBL as well. Why would they continue to support a service they can't market? Or they decide to drop it until the next gen console comes out, because why pay royalties out on something they plan to phase out in the next couple of years? I think people are freaking out because illegal to sell= contraband, which brings to mind raids and customs seizures.
But at this point, it's all noise and speculation. Like I said in the last KK, this all amounts to nothing if the government investigation against Motorola goes in Microsoft's favor. Currently there is no ban, and I would imagine that even if it comes to pass in a few months (the next step in the process), MS could recover the penalty $ from the publishers who stand to lose the most if the 360 is banned. What's $1 mil here or there to EA, after all? Actually, the total amount is a drop in the bucket to Microsoft, which is why I believe they're fighting on principle.
Honestly, I hope they win. Those Google maternal intercoursers can go fornicate their own posteriors.
Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 3:01 pm | #11
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Only 4.4 million a year? M$ wipes their asses with 5 million dollar bills...
Re: Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 3:03 pm | #12
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People still use Motorola phones?
this made me lawl. But believe it or not, most of the droid phones are made by Motorola.
Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 3:41 pm | #13
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I had also heard what Kat said about the principle issue. MS says Motorola is asking well over the normal amount for shared technology. They basically say it is because of how much the 360 is worth and that Motorola is unfairly gouging the price specifically for MS.
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05/25/12 3:50 pm | #14
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Thanks Kat. I've been entirely too lazy to really dig into it but I didn't understand why everyone was freaking out.
Long and short it sounds like is they will fight - and one side will eventually concede (or be forced to do so), and life will go on.
Like you said and AJ said, 4.4 million a year is nothing to MS. It does make me feel better to know this stuff
Long and short it sounds like is they will fight - and one side will eventually concede (or be forced to do so), and life will go on.
Like you said and AJ said, 4.4 million a year is nothing to MS. It does make me feel better to know this stuff
Re: xbox ban in process
05/25/12 6:54 pm | #15
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So, if it really comes down to it, M$ can cut out the wireless side of it and go wired for a run of new xbox's. Infringement solved. I am not saying that they will, nor am I suggesting that they do, but they could.
