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Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 8:32 pm | #3166

All I have to say is if the SEC is such a powerhouse then how is it that middle-of-the-road Big 12 teams like A&M and Missouri are able to compete so handily in the SEC so quickly? Between the two teams, they won exactly one Big 12 championship game, A&M in '98 and Missouri was in the SEC championship game this year and they haven't won a conference title since winning the Big 8 in 1960.

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

Agreed, but honestly as of right now 4 teams is much better then the travesty we get now. I mean with a 4 team playoff you get winner of PAC-12, Winner of Big 12, and the winner of the SEC, and 1 wildcard spot which what it will usually break down to, which i'm ok with.

Rutgers vs Alabama in the BCS championship next year confirmed.

How the hell do you think the winner of the Big 12 warrants an automatic berth in the playoff when they don't even play a fucking conference championship game?

Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 9:11 pm | #3167

Whoops I meant the big 10 lol

Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 10:17 pm | #3168

I'm too lazy to quote everyone so I'll just put in my 2 cents. Pre-season polls and rankings have got to go. They seem to be based on the previous year with no account for graduating/drafted players, coaching changes, or incoming/transferring players. ESPN is the FOX News of sports as far as I'm concerned. They make up shit and report on their made up shit to drive ratings and self promote their bullshit, which also steers the pre-season rankings in the direction of the SEC.

And Snappy, next year Rutgays is gonna get ass blasted by OSU on Oct.18 and then skullfucked by the Badgers on Nov.1. They only really have a chance of beating 2 teams on their Big 10 schedule (Indiana & Nebraska). Welcome to big boy football bitches!

Re: Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 10:21 pm | #3169

Quote by JasonT5150:

strenght of schedule plays a big part. ohio state(85) florida state(80) auburn(16).

Strength of schedule is only a big part if you buy into power conferences, which I don't. Alabama was #1 all year because they played has been teams ranked higher than they should have been. The sec had 4 loss teams in the top 25. There's strength of schedule. Overrated teams playing each other so win or lose their rank stays high.

Re: Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 11:12 pm | #3170

Quote by JasonT5150:

strenght of schedule plays a big part. ohio state(85) florida state(80) auburn(16).

Where did you get these SOS numbers? Sagarin, who almost everyone uses, has OSU at 57, FSU at 63, and AU at 20.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

Anyway, SOS is as much a byproduct of inflated conference rankings that are biased toward the SEC as anything. It's a logical progression stemming from preseason rankings that are fueled by media hype.

Case in point, Auburn at the 20th best SOS. Their non-conference schedule has 6-6 Washington State, 7-5 Sun Belt powerhouse Arkansas State, 2-10 FCS juggernaut West Carolina, and a 6-6 FAU team that wasn't even invited to a bowl this year. That certainly isn't a top 20 non-conference schedule. That means that the top 20 SOS is dependant entirely on the belief that their conference is so strong that it pulls their schedule strength out of the 60-70 range.

Beyond all of that, it becomes a circular argument. SEC teams lose and the losses are "strong losses" and wins against conceived powers disproportionately thrust their teams up through the rankings.

The proof is in the fact that when Auburn beat Alabama and everyone waited to see if Auburn would leap OSU, the BCS rankings came out and the biggest shocker to all SEC proponents was that Auburn didn't jump OSU in the computer rankings. "But, but, but, that's the part of the equation that absolutely should support the claim that SOS is a huge factor." That's when you started to see experts like BCS guru Brad Edwards start to realize the Auburn would not pass OSU without Ohio State losing in the B1G championship game. That's when people realized that a 40 spot discrepancy in SOS was a myth. If SOS was a true measure of a team that is backed up by facts, 40 spots should more than make up for a loss to a "top-20" LSU team.

Of course all of the SEC can exhale since the Buckeyes took a shit against MSU, so all of that is moot. But I'm not buying that the SEC is so incredible that the SEC championship game is some automatic play-in to the natty. I see through the SEC hype.

Re: Re: Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 11:14 pm | #3171

Quote by Kat:

Quote by JasonT5150:

strenght of schedule plays a big part. ohio state(85) florida state(80) auburn(16).

Strength of schedule is only a big part if you buy into power conferences, which I don't. Alabama was #1 all year because they played has been teams ranked higher than they should have been. The sec had 4 loss teams in the top 25. There's strength of schedule. Overrated teams playing each other so win or lose their rank stays high.

Im just saying strength of schedule is supposed to factor in. A one loss team thats played legit teams deserves more accolades than a team thats played a bunch of cupcakes all year.

Re: Re: Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 11:17 pm | #3172

Quote by theEVOL1:

Quote by JasonT5150:

strenght of schedule plays a big part. ohio state(85) florida state(80) auburn(16).

Where did you get these SOS numbers? Sagarin, who almost everyone uses, has OSU at 57, FSU at 63, and AU at 20.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

Anyway, SOS is as much a byproduct of inflated conference rankings that are biased toward the SEC as anything. It's a logical progression stemming from preseason rankings that are fueled by media hype.

Case in point, Auburn at the 20th best SOS. Their non-conference schedule has 6-6 Washington State, 7-5 Sun Belt powerhouse Arkansas State, 2-10 FCS juggernaut West Carolina, and a 6-6 FAU team that wasn't even invited to a bowl this year. That certainly isn't a top 20 non-conference schedule. That means that the top 20 SOS is dependant entirely on the belief that their conference is so strong that it pulls their schedule strength out of the 60-70 range.

Beyond all of that, it becomes a circular argument. SEC teams lose and the losses are "strong losses" and wins against conceived powers disproportionately thrust their teams up through the rankings.

The proof is in the fact that when Auburn beat Alabama and everyone waited to see if Auburn would leap OSU, the BCS rankings came out and the biggest shocker to all SEC proponents was that Auburn didn't jump OSU in the computer rankings. "But, but, but, that's the part of the equation that absolutely should support the claim that SOS is a huge factor." That's when you started to see experts like BCS guru Brad Edwards start to realize the Auburn would not pass OSU without Ohio State losing in the B1G championship game. That's when people realized that a 40 spot discrepancy in SOS was a myth. If SOS was a true measure of a team that is backed up by facts, 40 spots should more than make up for a loss to a "top-20" LSU team.

Of course all of the SEC can exhale since the Buckeyes took a shit against MSU, so all of that is moot. But I'm not buying that the SEC is so incredible that the SEC championship game is some automatic play-in to the natty. I see through the SEC hype.

I agree with this, brother rat.

@Jason, legit team ends up being just a matter of opinion without teams playing each other.

Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 11:17 pm | #3173

Jesus christ, relax people.

Re: Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 11:23 pm | #3174

Quote by JasonT5150:

Jesus christ, relax people.

It's really nothing personal, man. It's just that you can tell the fan of an SEC team from a mile away by the way that they cling to the SOS argument.

Fun fact: while SEC fans consistently brag up their strength of schedule, the PAC12 is far away the best conference according to their league-wide SOS. Spots 1-7 are all PAC12 teams. Maybe a 2-loss team should leap a 1-loss team. Sounds pretty foolish, huh?

Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 11:29 pm | #3175

Look im not trying to be all argumentative just for the sake of looking like a know it all. I dont claim to know every stat about every team all the time, all i know is auburn's #2 in the nation. Soon to be #1 so color me happy.

Re: Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 11:34 pm | #3176

Quote by JasonT5150:

Look im not trying to be all argumentative just for the sake of looking like a know it all. I dont claim to know every stat about every team all the time, all i know is auburn's #2 in the nation. Soon to be #1 so color me happy.

I just hate the BCS system and I cannot wait until that shit is gone! I apologize, but I get fired up every time I discuss it. Like I said previously, it's nothing personal.

Re: Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 11:53 pm | #3177

Quote by JasonT5150:

Look im not trying to be all argumentative just for the sake of looking like a know it all. I dont claim to know every stat about every team all the time, all i know is auburn's #2 in the nation. Soon to be #1 so color me happy.

I'm unimpressed by this statement though because there's only 1 team in the nation whose fans said this and it happened the way they wanted it to.

I don't believe auburn is the best in the nation, I believe they have had some fanatical luck the last few weeks. Not sure if I buy FSU as the best in the nation, but I think they're a far sight better than auburn. Auburn lost to an overrated 3 loss LSU, who had losses to 4 loss Georgia and a 5 loss Ole Miss besides Bama.

Re: Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 11:58 pm | #3178

Quote by BeaverHunter:

I'm too lazy to quote everyone so I'll just put in my 2 cents. Pre-season polls and rankings have got to go. They seem to be based on the previous year with no account for graduating/drafted players, coaching changes, or incoming/transferring players. ESPN is the FOX News of sports as far as I'm concerned. They make up shit and report on their made up shit to drive ratings and self promote their bullshit, which also steers the pre-season rankings in the direction of the SEC.

And Snappy, next year Rutgays is gonna get ass blasted by OSU on Oct.18 and then skullfucked by the Badgers on Nov.1. They only really have a chance of beating 2 teams on their Big 10 schedule (Indiana & Nebraska). Welcome to big boy football bitches!

Rutgers is going to poop on both teams, winning 55-0 each time and winning big 10 conference their first year and the bcs championship :growl:

:growl:

Re: Re: Re: Random Sports Talk

12/09/13 11:59 pm | #3179

Quote by The Snapple Cap:

Quote by BeaverHunter:

I'm too lazy to quote everyone so I'll just put in my 2 cents. Pre-season polls and rankings have got to go. They seem to be based on the previous year with no account for graduating/drafted players, coaching changes, or incoming/transferring players. ESPN is the FOX News of sports as far as I'm concerned. They make up shit and report on their made up shit to drive ratings and self promote their bullshit, which also steers the pre-season rankings in the direction of the SEC.

And Snappy, next year Rutgays is gonna get ass blasted by OSU on Oct.18 and then skullfucked by the Badgers on Nov.1. They only really have a chance of beating 2 teams on their Big 10 schedule (Indiana & Nebraska). Welcome to big boy football bitches!

Rutgers is going to poop on both teams, winning 55-0 each time and winning big 10 conference their first year and the bcs championship :growl:

:growl:

I'm taking a second to laugh at beaver for being a badgers fan. :laugh:

:laugh:

Re: Random Sports Talk

12/10/13 12:56 am | #3180

Why the SEC Isn't As Great In Football A You Think

This article lays it out for ya.

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