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Re: Socialism = FAIL

03/25/09 12:00 am | #31

I agree with Noah. That was part of the reason I quit my last job, because I had to pull my own weight plus about 6 others including the manager's. I think everybody that can do work should get off their asses and do it if they're complaining. If you don't want a job, and don't need one, fine. But don't complain about finances.

I wouldn't want to support some lazy ass person, I think you should get what you work for, and that this way of living would be an epic fail. The Detroit Lions would be jealous of that fail.

It would ruin everything, worse than it is now. The people who work hard would slack off because they're hard earned pay is going to some lazy bumfuck who's sitting on his ass. And those lazy bumfucks wouldn't do anything about it and just enjoy their free ride, while the hard, quality workers would end up slacking off and just sayin' fuck it.

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03/25/09 1:19 am | #32

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By the way, China isn't failing too badly is it? Cuba isn't either (except for the hurricanes lol).

Sure if you think religious repression that is terribly covered up by the government is cool. Oh yeah and unless something has changed you can only have one kid, no more says the govt.... thats totally cool with me.

Or the fact that the school that collapsed a few months ago was shown to have terrible defects that could have been fixed with more money?

Should I continue?

Side note, i think that is more an attempt at population control in an already over crowded place.

And as to the comment about the school, that happens everywhere, wasnt there abridge that collapsed recently in the US that apparently was past due for some 'maintenance work'

12/31/69 7:00 pm | #33

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Re: Socialism = FAIL

03/25/09 7:04 am | #34

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I think they insisted socialism could work, clearly by their description not having a grasp of what socialism actually is

Their only description I found was the idea that it could work. Clearly, you don't think that is what defines socialism, so I'm not sure where you're getting that.

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I think a couple of you are mistaking the economic policy of socialism with totalitarianism or fascism. The problems with Cuba and China stem from government, not economic policy.

Unfortunately, economic policy has to be enforced through the government. Under a socialist system, the government needs to use force to perpetuate the system. This increase in the authority and size of the government can ultimately lead to more domineering forms of government as power transfers away from the individual and into the hands of our governmental institutions. Additionally, under socialism, the redistribution of wealth causes there to be little capital in private hands or institutions. As a result, projects that were originally private are forced to become public, introducing all the problems associated with sprawling governments.

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To oversimplify it a bit, in capitalism the wealth belongs to the rich, in communism the wealth belongs to the government, and in socialism the wealth belongs to the people.

Not only is that an oversimplification but a convenient idealization which fails to recognize reality. The wealth still is in the hands and control of the government under socialism. Production and distribution are all handled by the government. The government and the coffers of individuals are drastically different things, and claiming they're not is simply an appeal to human desire for Utopia, without regard for reality.

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Which means this particular copy pasta does seem to be a bit of right wing propaganda.

Everything is argument. Calling this propaganda is, in itself, propaganda. Your statement is a cop-out I hear incessantly, and it's a perfectly pointless statement. Everything has bias. Drawing attention to that bias is only another manifestation of bias.

12/31/69 7:00 pm | #35

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Re: Socialism = FAIL

03/25/09 10:37 am | #36

Socialism was already tried in America -- read this account about the original pilgrims:

In 1609 the Pilgrims fled the restrictive environment of the Church of England and moved to Holland in order to freely practice their religious convictions. On August 1, 1620 , 40 of them set sail on the Mayflower with 62 others. They were under the leadership of William Bradford. Before setting up the community of Plymouth , Massachusetts , they composed one of the great documents in human history, the Mayflower Compact. It guaranteed just and equal laws to govern all residents of the community, regardless of their religious convictions. The concepts contained in the Compact were all based on Biblical reasoning.

The funding for the Pilgrims to go to the New World was provided under a contract with London merchants who wanted an economic profit from the venture. Under that contract whatever they produced was to be put into a common warehouse, with each one getting one equal share. All the land, buildings and end product were communally owned.

Half of the Pilgrims died during the first winter, including Branford's wife. As governor, Bradford realized that collectivism had been a costly and destructive mistake. Bradford and others realized that socialism gave no incentive to the most creative and industrious among them to work any harder than anyone else. Collectivism had prevented the exercise of personal motivation.

Re: Socialism = FAIL

03/25/09 10:54 am | #37

First of all this original post sucks.
Show me the proof this ever happened? YOU CANT, BECAUSE IT NEVER DID!

This is a made up story.

Tell me this, an entire classroom of students ALL agreed on the same exact way of thinking? NOT POSSIBLE.

Show me some proof please, tell me the teachers name and the school where he works.
Again, You cant.

Re: Socialism = FAIL

03/25/09 3:24 pm | #38

counter, i mentioned on the first page that jen found this on her friend's facebook.
so no, there's no proof. maybe it IS made up.

she found it funny, though, and decided to share. not that big of a deal either way you slice it.

Re: Re: Socialism = FAIL

03/25/09 5:30 pm | #39

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I don't see this as much as a Socialism fail, as I see it as a human nature fail.

It goes to show that people will only go as far as they need to, and some won't even go that far. Socialism will fail when people stop holding up their own end of the bargain, kind of like society. You can't help people that don't help themselves.

Good story, by the way!

You know I was going to chime in with the same thing but you beat me to it. the Reason the system failed is because the individuals that were not pulling their weight before had even more of a reason not to pull their weight this time around. If everyone had put in equal amounts of effort I'm sure there would have been A's all around

Personally, I think that not all the ideas that come out of socialism (universal health care for one) are completely bad but the Socialist system of government is flawed. Capitalism also has its flaws but it does seem to work for now. Maybe their can be a mix of the two systems

And as far as the U.S. is concern, I'm all for any plan that can get us back on track. lately lots of companies have been adopting a plan of cutting things raises or bonuses if it means that less jobs would be axed. That by the way was a idea that was develop in the folds of socialism. Food for thought

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03/25/09 5:40 pm | #41

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You know I was going to chime in with the same thing but you beat me to it. the Reason the system failed is because the individuals that were not pulling their weight before had even more of a reason not to pull their weight this time around. If everyone had put in equal amounts of effort I'm sure there would have been A's all around

Personally, I think that not all the ideas that come out of socialism (universal health care for one) are completely bad but the Socialist system of government is flawed. Capitalism also has its flaws but it does seem to work for now. Maybe their can be a mix of the two systems

Also if the students had banded together and worked as a unit to boost the grades of the ones who weren't doing well by tutoring them or studying as a unit, they would have raised their averages. The point of socialism is you're only as good as your weakest link. That's another reason I'd hate for America to go socialist, as there are so many weak links here.

AGREE WHOLE HEARTEDLY ON THE WEAK LINK POINT. WE HAVE GONE FAR TO LONG JUST LOOKING OUT FOR OURSELVES. WAY BEFORE THE INDUSTRIAL AGE, PEOPLE AND TOWNS USE TO WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GREATER GOOD.

Re: Socialism = FAIL

03/25/09 6:39 pm | #42

Quote by CROOKLYNMAYO:

You know I was going to chime in with the same thing but you beat me to it. the Reason the system failed is because the individuals that were not pulling their weight before had even more of a reason not to pull their weight this time around. If everyone had put in equal amounts of effort I'm sure there would have been A's all around

The majority of students would have to earn A's in order for the average to be an A. Why not have the accountability of earning exactly what you deserve?

I'll admit this idea applied to economics gets so much more complex because the amount of work put in doesn't necessarily reflect value, but this still reveals one of the major complaints with socialism.

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Maybe their can be a mix of the two systems

That's what I feel like we have. We're constantly tipping back and forth between New Deal type programs, and the absence of these programs. We have a progressive tax system with the highest bracket taking 35% of income, which is not extreme in either direction. Maybe this equilibrium is where we should be?

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Re: Socialism = FAIL

03/31/09 1:56 am | #45

pure capitalism would never really work because it like pure socialism has done would tear itself apart trying to keep itself together. Can you imagine how MORE cutthroat this country would be if capitalism didn't have checks and balances? Man that one keeps me up at night!!

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