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Re: Religion, Evolution and Theories of the Beginning

07/16/09 9:43 pm | #46

im sorry jackson but your response to noahs post...i have no idea what you said there O_o

O_o

you used like 50 big words ive never heard of or knew existed (e.g: cognizant) so im not going to comment on that...until i have someone explain it in simple terms lol

i would however like to bring up on subject. alot of people, in an attempt to prove the nonexistance of a god/supreme being, almost always will ask the question "if any sort of 'god' existed, why doesnt he fix our economy? why arent our streets paved w/ gold? why arent we all decked w/ cash? why are there poor people? (but the big one) why doesnt he fix all the problems of the world?" to which i finally found a decent answer (imo) its because man doesnt deserve it. what has man done to prove to a "god" that he should fix the world? we're constantly in wars, we constantly have conflicts going on everywhere, were destroying the planet. now i dont wanna sound like one of those environmental/peacemaker people, because im not lol, but really. what has man done that the worlds problems should be fixed? nothing. because man has problems. always has, always will. anyone who asks that question i find almost an idiot for asking it. why doesnt a "god" fix the world? because man doesnt deserve it, and probably never will.

just my two cents...

Re: Religion, Evolution and Theories of the Beginning

07/16/09 10:25 pm | #47

Ok, let me give this a shot.

I'm only fifteen, and still pretty young by most standards. However, in my short time here on this planet, I've seen a lot. Enough, in my opinion, to give a firm belief that there is no God, higher power, etc... I won't go into detail as to why this is personally but I will give you a defense everyone can relate to. According to common knowledge, everyone who believes in God goes to Heaven, and if you don't you go to Hell. Simple enough, right? No, not at all. What about the people who grow up Hindu, just for example. They are born into their lifestyle whether they want to or not. And according to God, since that persons faith doesn't lie with him, that person is doomed to go to Hell. Now, answer me this, Christians: What kind of God would make whole races of innocent people who have never done a thing wrong in their lives burn in Hell simply because they don't believe in him? To me, that's unfair as shit. So, that is but one reason why I do not care for any sort of religion.

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Re: Religion, Evolution and Theories of the Beginning

07/16/09 10:40 pm | #49

Top Dogs, comitting sins is not a good reason to condemn someone to an eternity of torment. In my opinion, God is unfair about how he deems people worthy or not. There are some people who grow up never hearing about God, but that person would love to believe in him. But he will never hear about him, therefore he will not be given passage to the pearly gates.

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Re: Religion, Evolution and Theories of the Beginning

07/16/09 10:52 pm | #51

Don't get me wrong, Dogs, I respect God, Christians, and everything of that nature. I think that everything God preaches and says is good, and everyone should be more like him. But that's just it, we don't need a God or anyone else for us to be good people. People should just be people, have good values and everything else like that. To me, a God isn't nessacary for me to be a good person. I plan on growing up and living a great life, and be the best person I can. I don't need anyone to tell me how to be a good person, I already know how.

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07/16/09 10:52 pm | #52

Quote by Top Dogs 360:

Quote by xGrenade:

Ok, let me give this a shot.

Now, answer me this, Christians: What kind of God would make whole races of innocent people who have never done a thing wrong in their lives burn in Hell simply because they don't believe in him? To me, that's unfair as shit. So, that is but one reason why I do not care for any sort of religion.

Grenade, not just races but everyone on this planet has done something wrong. Its called sin. We all have sinned. You ask for forgiveness for your sins. You may think that if you follow the rules of society you are doing nothing wrong but that is not true.That is precisely why the meaning of life is to spread god's word. Christians are supposed to teach and spread the word. Throughout the world that is being done by missionaries. Some may see it as unfair but the door is never shut. Ever hear the saying "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist" Think about that for a minute and then reread my earlier post.

well said.

and @ grenade... god is not going to condemn a child to hell for no reason.
why in the world would you think that?

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07/16/09 10:55 pm | #53

Quote by Noah 9000:

Quote by Top Dogs 360:

Grenade, not just races but everyone on this planet has done something wrong. Its called sin. We all have sinned. You ask for forgiveness for your sins. You may think that if you follow the rules of society you are doing nothing wrong but that is not true.That is precisely why the meaning of life is to spread god's word. Christians are supposed to teach and spread the word. Throughout the world that is being done by missionaries. Some may see it as unfair but the door is never shut. Ever hear the saying &quot;The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist&quot; Think about that for a minute and then reread my earlier post.

well said.

and @ grenade... god is not going to condemn a child to hell for no reason.
why in the world would you think that?

:baffled:

:baffled:

My friend made it quite clear to me that if you don't believe in God you go to Hell, so if there's a little Hindu boy who has never done something bad in his life, he will still go to Hell because no one taught him about God.

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Re: Religion, Evolution and Theories of the Beginning

07/16/09 11:05 pm | #55

I've said all I have to say, sorry if I offended anyone.

Re: Religion, Evolution and Theories of the Beginning

07/16/09 11:35 pm | #56

i think this thread will offend a lot of people... kinda of like now, it seems to be irritating everyone...

Re: Religion, Evolution and Theories of the Beginning

07/16/09 11:43 pm | #57

I believe the only ones sent to hell are the truely evil people; the murderers, the rapists, the kidnappers and child molesters.

I believe that atheists and people of all religions go to heaven. Just be a GOOD person and not an evil fuckhead.

Re: Religion, Evolution and Theories of the Beginning

07/17/09 1:08 am | #58

im not sure how much i believe it now still, but this is what i used to believe

i didnt believe there is a heaven or hell specifically. when everyone dies i used to think they went to their own personal heaven. and itd be your perfect paradise place. everything you liked/loved would be there. now to you itd be like heaven. but to others thatd be like their personal hell. for example, one of those happy-go-lucky people who love rainbows, nature, etc, would find someone whos "heaven" was filled with desolate wastelands, skeletons everywhere, and deathmetal music playing, thatd be their hell.

idk, just something i used to believe. id like to believe that happens but idk...anybody else ever considered this?

Re: Religion, Evolution and Theories of the Beginning

07/17/09 1:38 am | #59

Quote by Minioger:

The main thing that is clear in the bible is that if you HAVE heard of Jesus and don't accept him you will go to hell.

This is a dangerous path of thinking.

You and a few others here have inferred that those who accept the stories of the Jewish deity YHVH, including that he had a son who died bearing the sins of those who believe, will attain salvation from hell, and those that hear these stories and do not believe are instead choosing an eternity of damnation.

You also infer that those who are not exposed to these stories will instead be judged based on relative standards set by their own actions, so it follows that unless a person consistently went against their own mores, they would be judged worthy and be able to attain salvation.

In this line of thinking, the best possible course of action would be to cease spreading the "gospel" because it removes a choice that must be made by each person and a set of guidelines that may go against their traditions, upbringing, family, or whatever.

If you stop putting the stories of YHVH and his son in front of people, then instead of forcing them to make that choice, you allow them to live "ignorantly" and by their own standards and thus let them take ultimate responsibility for their actions instead of weighing future decisions on this new set of right and wrong.

Is it really better, then, to spread this "gospel" and place a choice in front of people to either accept possibly foreign guidelines extrapolated by the disciples and later the Catholic church or face eternal consequence for the actions of 70-90 years on this Earth? Or should you leave people "blind" and allow them to determine their own fate?

If a person is rigorously following the code they have been raised to live by, learning from their own mistakes and trying to live better, and they decide not to abide by this concept of Christianity when they hear it, aren't you in effect contributing to their damnation?

The line of thinking that those who hear the Word have a different set of standards to meet to attain salvation commits you to every outreach, every evangelical effort, being a throw of the dice for the souls you encounter.

If you expose someone to the 'gospel' and they do not accept it, then they suddenly have no chance of anything after their time here is up--they face eternal damnation. Before they heard the gospel, they had a roughly equal chance of salvation or damnation based on their actions.

Re: Religion, Evolution and Theories of the Beginning

02/02/10 12:11 am | #60

my favorite quote

The irony of religion is that because of its power to divert man to destructive courses, the world could actually come to an end. The plain fact is, religion must die for mankind to live. The hour is getting very late to be able to indulge having in key decisions made by religious people. By irrationalists, by those who would steer the ship of state not by a compass, but by the equivalent of reading the entrails of a chicken. George Bush prayed a lot about Iraq, but he didn't learn a lot about it. Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. It's nothing to brag about. And those who preach faith, and enable and elevate it are intellectual slaveholders, keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and justified so much lunacy and destruction. Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do. Most people would think it's wonderful when someone says, "I'm willing, Lord! I'll do whatever you want me to do!" Except that since there are no gods actually talking to us, that void is filled in by people with their own corruptions and limitations and agendas. And anyone who tells you they know, they just know what happens when you die, I promise you, you don't. How can I be so sure? Because I don't know, and you do not possess mental powers that I do not. The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the big questions is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark of religion, but doubt. Doubt is humble, and that's what man needs to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting shit dead wrong. This is why rational people, anti-religionists, must end their timidity and come out of the closet and assert themselves. And those who consider themselves only moderately religious really need to look in the mirror and realize that the solace and comfort that religion brings you comes at a horrible price. If you belonged to a political party or a social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence, and sheer ignorance as religion is, you'd resign in protest. To do otherwise is to be an enabler, a mafia wife, for the true devils of extremism that draw their legitimacy from the billions of their fellow travelers. If the world does come to an end here, or wherever, or if it limps into the future, decimated by the effects of religion-inspired nuclear terrorism, let's remember what the real problem was. We learned how to precipitate mass death before we got past the neurological disorder of wishing for it. That's it. Grow up or die.

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