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12/31/69 7:00 pm | #16

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08/15/09 3:17 pm | #17

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Isn't there a difference between how a hospital runs than a psych hospital? All i know is, yeah thats somewhat true. Back in March i had a temp of 103. Went to the emergency, had a flu test....and they said i was okay and shipped me out(I could have done that shit myself). Had to pay nothing. But if i was to be working, and some how sliced a finger or two off, id be fucked, That Missy, is not free. Sure they will slap a cloth over me, stop the bleeding. <-- Thats the free healthcare. But what about my fingers? that's where if you don't have insurance....ur gonna get sooooooooooooo financially banged in ur butt hole, it aint funny.

If you could have given yourself a flu test why go to the hospital. What did you want the hospital to do? My guess is you just needed to give your body time to fight off whatever was causing your fever. You didn't mention any other symptoms, but i'm guessing those are gone as well. Your hospital did the right thing. Why treat something that needs no treatment. Again like you said you paid for none of this.
In regards to your fingers being cut off at work, your work would be responsible for the treatment. You wouldn't have to pay for it.

I find it quite amusing that people will spend hundreds of dollars a year on things not needed such as video games, tvs, cable, cell phones. Yet, they don't want to pay for what is important, their health. Everyone wants something for free.

We shouldnt have to pay for health. And giving my self a flu test? looks like you cant sense sarcasm. Your work would not be all out responsible, besides i wasnt referring to working for a job. What if i was cutting wood in my back yard? but any way, lets say if it was with the job, sure you may pay/get insurance through them....doesn't mean ur gonna get everything you need, does it? Your Job is not going to cover EVERYTHING, trust me i know. This country deserves free health care for all the times we get robbed, and robbed every month. but with our fucked up government soon to be dictators, we will never see a successful way of getting things right. Why cant we have free health care? Other countries seem to do just fine with, so why cant we have it?

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08/15/09 3:51 pm | #20

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Other countries don't do it just fine. Do you ever hear of people leaving the USA to go elsewhere for healthcare? Yet, canadians and others come here all the time for it. Do you really want to wait 6 months or more for a test if your doctor suspects you have cancer? By that time it may be too late. Do you want the government saying you already had x number of treatments and you're not getting anymore. Do you really think we can afford to cover everyone and offer quality care to everyone. Yes, healthcare is expensive. Technology is expensive. Do you want to go to a hospital that is using out dated equipment or that doesn't use the latest treatments. I bet if you had cancer or some other serious illness you wouldn't.

Yet our rates or somehow double time worse then theirs? how is that possbile??? And chill on what you say about cancer.

my main point is......why the fuck do me and people in my family, spend countless dollars on insurance, just so that when we do get hurt/sick. They tell us were are not sick enough to cover this and that? so what the fuck am i paying for? If im paying for this shit....give me what i need. Cuz like you said...we got the best treatment, and latest equipment. But why am i getting denied???? if im paying...help me. Whats so hard about that?

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08/15/09 4:38 pm | #23

Quote by Detroit SniperX:

We shouldnt have to pay for health.

You know the quote, "there's no such thing as a free lunch"? Well there's no such thing as free healthcare. Do you think doctors should work without pay? Or that drug companies magically discover new drugs without investing millions towards research? Nothing anyone gets from the government is free. Someone is always footing the bill.

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lets say if it was with the job, sure you may pay/get insurance through them....doesn't mean ur gonna get everything you need, does it? Your Job is not going to cover EVERYTHING, trust me i know.

It seems you (and the insurance companies as well as the rest of America) have forgotten what insurance is. Insurance is a safety net against something unlikely to happen. The way current insurance policies are set up, just about everything including routine doctors visits are covered. That is part of the problem. Our "insurance plans" or more like payment plans for all medical expenses and it is inherently inefficient. These plans need to be adapted to only cover improbable medical emergencies such as development of cancer or your example of chopping of a finger.

We need to stop trying to get something from nothing. Nothing is owed to us simply because we exist. We also need to take an honest look at why prices are high. Right now you can only buy insurance from a vendor within your state. If we lifted that restriction, allowing insurance companies in different states to compete with one another, prices would fall simply because of competition. It would cost nothing, infringe nobody's freedom and undoubtedly lower prices for millions of Americans.

Also why not give tax credits for spending money on healthcare? Or what about tort reform to reduce doctors' costs on their outrageously expensive malpractice insurance? Those savings would be passed onto consumers through competition.

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08/15/09 4:46 pm | #24

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We need to stop trying to get something from nothing. Nothing is owed to us simply because we exist. We also need to take an honest look at why prices are high. Right now you can only buy insurance from a vendor within your state. If we lifted that legislation, allowing insurance companies in different states to compete with one another, prices would fall simply because of competition. It would cost nothing, infringe nobody's freedom and undoubtedly lower prices for millions of Americans.

That's a novel idea but price doesn't make a difference to the millions of people who can't even get approved for a policy because of a some pre-existing illness. These lunatics scream and shout about death panels when they already exist in the form of insurance companies.

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Other countries don't do it just fine. Do you ever hear of people leaving the USA to go elsewhere for healthcare?

Countless Americans cross the border into Canada to get cheap prescription drugs. Ask anyone with dual citizenship and they'll tell you they rather go to Canada for their healthcare.

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08/15/09 4:51 pm | #25

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Quote by Jackson:

We need to stop trying to get something from nothing. Nothing is owed to us simply because we exist. We also need to take an honest look at why prices are high. Right now you can only buy insurance from a vendor within your state. If we lifted that legislation, allowing insurance companies in different states to compete with one another, prices would fall simply because of competition. It would cost nothing, infringe nobody's freedom and undoubtedly lower prices for millions of Americans.

That's a novel idea but price doesn't make a difference to the millions of people who can't even get approved for a policy because of a some pre-existing illness. These lunatics scream and shout about death panels when they already exist in the form of insurance companies.

The time to get insurance is not once you're sick. Ask anyone who has had their house flooded without flood insurance or had it burn down without home insurance. If you try to get insurance after you're already sick, it's no longer improbable that you'll get sick. In order for insurance companies to make any money at all, they need to take in more than they spend and it's nonsensical to take on a consumer you already know will cost more than they will pay.

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08/15/09 5:03 pm | #26

the system is jacked up.

nuff said.

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08/15/09 5:04 pm | #27

Quote by Jackson:

Quote by IRiSH OH:

That's a novel idea but price doesn't make a difference to the millions of people who can't even get approved for a policy because of a some pre-existing illness. These lunatics scream and shout about death panels when they already exist in the form of insurance companies.

The time to get insurance is not once you're sick. Ask anyone who has had their house flooded without flood insurance or had it burn down without home insurance. If you try to get insurance after you're already sick, it's no longer improbable that you'll get sick. In order for insurance companies to make any money at all, they need to take in more than they spend and it's nonsensical to take on a consumer you already know will cost more than they will pay.

It's not only people with life threatening illnesses that these insurance companies deny coverage. I understand that they're trying to run a business and the bottom line for them is profit and that's the fundamental problem with healthcare in this nation.

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08/15/09 5:35 pm | #28

Quote by IRiSH OH:

Quote by Jackson:

The time to get insurance is not once you're sick. Ask anyone who has had their house flooded without flood insurance or had it burn down without home insurance. If you try to get insurance after you're already sick, it's no longer improbable that you'll get sick. In order for insurance companies to make any money at all, they need to take in more than they spend and it's nonsensical to take on a consumer you already know will cost more than they will pay.

It's not only people with life threatening illnesses that these insurance companies deny coverage. I understand that they're trying to run a business and the bottom line for them is profit and that's the fundamental problem with healthcare in this nation.

Healthcare has never been as expensive as it is now, and it is clear that something needs to be changed. However, back in the good old days when healthcare was relatively cheap, there were still the same greedy businessmen behind every health insurance company, every hospital group and every doctors association. Obviously healthcare being in the private sector isn't the problem. If we didn't have government healthcare in the past and prices were cheap, what makes us think we need it now?

We need to look at what's changed from then to now, and reverse it. It's easier said than done, but regardless, it's a valid statement. Throwing the money of the taxpayer at the problem doesn't change the hidden inefficiency.

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08/15/09 7:24 pm | #29

Quote by Detroit SnyperX:

Your work would not be all out responsible, besides i wasnt referring to working for a job.

I understand that you were not talking about working for your employer. But I wanted to add that if anything happened to you at work. Your employer would be liable for it, 100%. Worker's Comp will pay for any doctor's visits for something that happened to you at work. I know, because in my field I deal with the injuries that occur on the job site and I work with worker's comp to make sure that if anyone gets injured, they will get the care they need. Even if it is something that is the employees fault, they still get cared for, from the employer. But thankfull, we have worked 1,139 days, accident free.

on a different note, I was reading this months issue of People Magazine and a couple things caught my attention.

On page 60 they had an interview with Brad Pitt. One question the interview asked was

PM: Do you think Angelina and you will ever get married?
BP: When everyone that wants to get married can legally do so, we will consider the same
I gave you that question to give you this one that struck my attention
PM: Who would you rather babysit your children, George Clooney, or Matt Damon?
BP: Who would I rather have babysit my children? I'm going to have to go with George Clooney, because he doesn't stand a chance against my children. I'd also like to reiterate that Angie and I will not be getting married until George and his partner can legally do so.

What the hell?! Now I don't have anything against gays, but damn it man...The GQ Man of the year can NOT be gay! I don't remember if he was this years GQ Man of the year, but he won once, and once you become it, your always it......I'm just sadden by this remark

Another article caught my eye about the death of Billy Mays, but I will add that into the billy mays thread....check it out

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08/15/09 10:17 pm | #30

A Four-Step Healthcare Solution: http://mises.org/story/3643

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