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Re: Current Events Thread
08/14/09 12:54 am | #2
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Socialist Medicine FTW.
oh, random question: Has anyone whos played Madded 10 notice how hard the running game is now?
oh, random question: Has anyone whos played Madded 10 notice how hard the running game is now?
Re: Current Events Thread
08/14/09 10:40 am | #4
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Re: Current Events Thread
08/14/09 12:46 pm | #6
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Town hall meetings are great no matter what the subject of discussion is. They provide an opportunity for honest discourse and for constituents to communicate with their representatives.
The real work is done on the local level.
The real work is done on the local level.
Re: Current Events Thread
08/14/09 1:06 pm | #7
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Universal Health Care is long overdue in the United States, Democracy has good ideas in it and so does Communism, socialism, and monarchies. If we can combine the good ideas from all these forms of government the world would be better off.
Re: Current Events Thread
08/14/09 1:12 pm | #8
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In the end we are all fucked. I have no hope in our government.
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08/14/09 1:17 pm | #9
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Whats wrong with giving healthcare to people without insurance?
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08/14/09 1:24 pm | #10
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Whats wrong with giving healthcare to people without insurance?
Nothing, were just America. Thats the problem.
Re: Re: Current Events Thread
08/14/09 1:59 pm | #11
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Whats wrong with giving healthcare to people without insurance?
For one, it's not voluntary. People are forced under penalty of law to work for another individual's benefit. That's the essence of taxation and programs like this. People incapable of working for themselves or incapable of making enough money to pay for healthcare are already covered under Medicare and Medicaid. People who oppose nationalizing health care do so because they believe in personal responsibility. People who are capable of working should be free to make their own choices and suffer the consequences of their own actions. If an individual rather purchase a pack of cigarettes a day than a healthcare insurance plan, they should have that choice.
When individuals pay for their own healthcare, they have an even greater interest in maintaining their health and avoiding dangerous habits such as smoking. In a public option, people who work hard to protect their health end up paying for those who don't.
Also, government programs are inherently inefficient. I read an article about a doctor who stopped accepting payments from Medicaid because the cost of meeting government regulations was too much. Instead, he just treated all Medicaid patients for free and he actually saved money.
We have to decide whether the high cost of healthcare is the result of too much government intervention or too little. Considering healthcare has historically been much cheaper than current years and government involvement has only increased over the years, I'd like to see what a free market and competition can do to the costs.
For me, the number one reason to resist government health care is liberty. In my eyes, the role of government is not to give me stuff. A Liberty Issue.
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08/15/09 9:42 am | #14
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I agree with you Jackson, but the last 8 years health care has risen 150-180% at my employment. Something has to be done because at the rate I feel the average American and average business owner can't afford this anymore. I feel that the drug companies, hospitals, clinics, doctors, and nurses are reeling in the profits while the majority of Americans are struggling to pay for the insurance. I don't know if government control will work but I do know what we have now doesn't work.
Yeah, I agree it can be difficult to determine the root of the cause of higher prices. Before we jump into a freedom-restricting plan though, it's important to consider the government's track record. It sounds great when we say "Let's provide everyone with healthcare," and it sounded great when we said "Let's provide everyone with a house." Through the Community Reinvestment Act, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government encouraged and mandated lending to low-income, high-risk borrowers. That, as we all know, lead to a housing bubble which had to pop, just like all bubbles.
Government intervention almost always has unintended consequences.
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08/15/09 12:23 pm | #15
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Quote by juniper9:
Quote by Intense Element:
Whats wrong with giving healthcare to people without insurance?
People without insurance do get healthcare. If you have an emergency you can go to the ER and be treated even without insurance. It's a law. Most hospitals if not all have free care funds. There are also free care clinics.
I use to work in a psych hospital on the dual diagnosis floor, which is a floor for those with mental health problems and addiction problems. The majority of people we treated didn't have heath insurance. They still got treatment over and over again.
Isn't there a difference between how a hospital runs than a psych hospital? All i know is, yeah thats somewhat true. Back in March i had a temp of 103. Went to the emergency, had a flu test....and they said i was okay and shipped me out(I could have done that shit myself). Had to pay nothing. But if i was to be working, and some how sliced a finger or two off, id be fucked, That Missy, is not free. Sure they will slap a cloth over me, stop the bleeding. <-- Thats the free healthcare. But what about my fingers? that's where if you don't have insurance....ur gonna get sooooooooooooo financially banged in ur butt hole, it aint funny.
