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THIS JUST IN.. Natal was officially named Kinect a month ago!
Back to you, Jim.
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Re: Re: Project NATAL = HUGE Money Maker for MS
07/15/10 10:01 am | #46
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Re: Re: Project NATAL = HUGE Money Maker for MS
07/15/10 10:21 am | #47
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Quote by Crustyhippy:
THIS JUST IN.. Natal was officially named Kinect a month ago!
Back to you, Jim.
Back to you, Jim.
THIS JUST IN... my article was made before NATAL got changed to Kinect, so hush
Quote by Killer Twilight:
An update on this is that Project Natal is now officially named Kinect. This is apparently and combination of kinetic and connect.
Maybe I am too hardcore for some of you supposed 'hardcore' gamers, but since when could 'hardcore' gamers not enjoy something such as Natal or Wii? To me, a hardcore gamer is someone who will play anything, regardless of console, graphics, or motion control. I enjoy bowling and yet do not always get a chance to get out and do it, Kinect is there for this, as well as other games. I am sure that none of ya'll have actually gotten out and have been able to use the Kinect since it has only been demoed at E3 and the Microsoft Store (of which there are two in the world, one where I live). It is actually pretty much. I can see me and my friends all getting together and doing some golfing or something.
I believe ya'lls definition of 'hardcore' gamer is those gamers that will only play the newest, fastest, best looking new games and consoles. Some of ya'll are the people that say that just because the NES, C64, Atari, PS1, etc. are old and the graphics are not that great, they will not be fun. I believe that once something is fun, it cannot be anything other than that. Maybe it might stop being fun for the individual, but the fact is is that it is still fun. On November 4th, I will be going to my local Microsoft Store and will be picking up my three boxes of Kinect. I will set them up, and I will have fun just like they are meant to be. After all, that's what us oldschool 'hardcore' gamers are here for, fun. Thank you.
Maybe I am too hardcore for some of you supposed 'hardcore' gamers, but since when could 'hardcore' gamers not enjoy something such as Natal or Wii? To me, a hardcore gamer is someone who will play anything, regardless of console, graphics, or motion control. I enjoy bowling and yet do not always get a chance to get out and do it, Kinect is there for this, as well as other games. I am sure that none of ya'll have actually gotten out and have been able to use the Kinect since it has only been demoed at E3 and the Microsoft Store (of which there are two in the world, one where I live). It is actually pretty much. I can see me and my friends all getting together and doing some golfing or something.
I believe ya'lls definition of 'hardcore' gamer is those gamers that will only play the newest, fastest, best looking new games and consoles. Some of ya'll are the people that say that just because the NES, C64, Atari, PS1, etc. are old and the graphics are not that great, they will not be fun. I believe that once something is fun, it cannot be anything other than that. Maybe it might stop being fun for the individual, but the fact is is that it is still fun. On November 4th, I will be going to my local Microsoft Store and will be picking up my three boxes of Kinect. I will set them up, and I will have fun just like they are meant to be. After all, that's what us oldschool 'hardcore' gamers are here for, fun. Thank you.
you obviously feel VERY strongly about the definition of 'hardcore' gamer. and i respect that. i like people who have strong opinions and will fight to the death to make sure it is known or right (not saying you are, but you seem like the type of guy who would) and i just wanted to throw something out there
a 'hardcore' gamer, in my books, is NOT the guy who plays only the newest, fastest, best looking game or console. i consider a hardcore gamer the guy who can play it into the late hours of the night (or early hours of the morning, if you prefer) and then can get little sleep and still go on w/ his day. the gamer who can play a game for who knows how long, and never get bored of it until he has either done everything or the game has a sequel, usually the former. now, that does not mean achievement-wise. anyone can get all gamerscore in a game, just takes some time. but i mean a guy who will do EVERYTHING w/ little-to-no help. like noah 9000 playing fallout 3. he did damn near EVERYTHING in that game, as far as i know. i dont consider a hardcore gamer to be the guy who plays the best/newest/fastest/whatever game/console. hes just the guy who can play games for fun, does everything he can in the game, and even then still play the game from time-to-time. he plays what he wants because its fun.
now, i dont consider any of this motion control shit/gimmicks to be something a hardcore gamer would do. i consider motion control things more for a casual/relaxed gamer. or maybe a little child, or someone (of any age) who needs physical rehab. and i respect that games are being now opened up to a wider range of people, ie kids and elderly or the physically frail. but i will say you are somewhat of a casual/relaxed gamer if you call yourself a hardcore one, then go and play this weird motion control stuff. ive said it before (a couple times i think) but i tihnk the ONLY time games should have motion control, is if you wear a FULL BODY SUIT and then whatever motion you did, your guy would do. if you move this, so does he. if you do that, so will he. then games would actually take some skill and youd feel more involved in the game. other then that, motion control just doesnt appeal to me. now, im not all that much of a hardcore gamer, i wont lie..but im not that casual/relaxed at all when it comes to gamin. i just play the games i like, because i like them and theyre fun, and try to do everything i can in it. sometimes it works out, sometimes it down. oh well
just felt id throw another opinion into the bunch xD
Re: Project NATAL = HUGE Money Maker for MS
07/15/10 2:20 pm | #48
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@Taco Thank you. I feel essentially the same way. It's just that the past few years, I have seen more and more people start trash talking a lot of consoles, games, media, etc.
I believe your definition would go well along with mine. Here is an elaboration of my definition. I love cars, I have raced for 8 years with my cousin (on an actual circuit). My cousin and uncle LOVE cars and racing. Now if you go up to them and ask them about the new Ford Pinto (there is not one, but hopefully you will get where I am coming from), they would be ecstatic to have a discussion with you about it. They would go into an hour long thesis on Ford, Pinto, cars in general, the economy, and anything else. To me, they are hardcore car enthusiast. Mind you that they strongly dislike Ford, yet they still get extremely excited over the general subject that it is a car. The first words out of their mouth is not "Wow, that is a Ford! It will fail!." or "Chevy is better. Let's talk about that."
I love food. I am a large food enthusiast as well as a insane gamer fan boy. I could talk to you for hours about the differences between a Big Mac and a Whopper. Now, both of these are fairly unexciting, but they are both food. It is my passion and I completely enjoy having conversations about food.
To me a casual gamer is someone who buys a game just because they feel like it. No special reason except maybe they heard about it or they just wanted a new game. They would be like the person who would say a Big Mac is just a sandwich or that a Lamborghini is JUST a fast car. To me, all works of games, food, and cars are works of art. Someone created these items. I love your definition, but I just had one little issue with it. That person that stays up all night playing that game. It could just end up being one game or just one genre. It's great that you LOVE Halo and all you can think about is Halo, but these people are losing the larger picture. There is an entire universe to explore out there with millions of different games. A hardcore gamer (in my opinion) could talk about the worst game out there like it is the 'Next Big Thing', because they love games.
Also, thank you Taco. I believe your post was the first one that did not just state the obvious and made a wonderful reply to my post. I 'try' to take a lot of time on my post. This is a passion of mine and I love when I see people get into a conversation like they feel the same! Thank you.
I believe your definition would go well along with mine. Here is an elaboration of my definition. I love cars, I have raced for 8 years with my cousin (on an actual circuit). My cousin and uncle LOVE cars and racing. Now if you go up to them and ask them about the new Ford Pinto (there is not one, but hopefully you will get where I am coming from), they would be ecstatic to have a discussion with you about it. They would go into an hour long thesis on Ford, Pinto, cars in general, the economy, and anything else. To me, they are hardcore car enthusiast. Mind you that they strongly dislike Ford, yet they still get extremely excited over the general subject that it is a car. The first words out of their mouth is not "Wow, that is a Ford! It will fail!." or "Chevy is better. Let's talk about that."
I love food. I am a large food enthusiast as well as a insane gamer fan boy. I could talk to you for hours about the differences between a Big Mac and a Whopper. Now, both of these are fairly unexciting, but they are both food. It is my passion and I completely enjoy having conversations about food.
To me a casual gamer is someone who buys a game just because they feel like it. No special reason except maybe they heard about it or they just wanted a new game. They would be like the person who would say a Big Mac is just a sandwich or that a Lamborghini is JUST a fast car. To me, all works of games, food, and cars are works of art. Someone created these items. I love your definition, but I just had one little issue with it. That person that stays up all night playing that game. It could just end up being one game or just one genre. It's great that you LOVE Halo and all you can think about is Halo, but these people are losing the larger picture. There is an entire universe to explore out there with millions of different games. A hardcore gamer (in my opinion) could talk about the worst game out there like it is the 'Next Big Thing', because they love games.
Also, thank you Taco. I believe your post was the first one that did not just state the obvious and made a wonderful reply to my post. I 'try' to take a lot of time on my post. This is a passion of mine and I love when I see people get into a conversation like they feel the same! Thank you.
Re: Project NATAL = HUGE Money Maker for MS
07/15/10 5:41 pm | #50
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Not only has the Motion Control been out for longer than that, so has the Wii. The thing is, I believe the Wii failed in a small part because of the fact that they always gave the option to use a normal controller which is obviously easier. I am actually excited to see if M$ and Sony will take these motion controls seriously, and if they do not then it will not affect me any. Me being a gamer, I want this sort of tech to get out there. Regardless of if it is to these 'casual' gamers ya'll speak of or whoever it may be. I will be more than willing to accept it because I love all things tech and games. Let us all hope that these motion controls will make a large impact. Let us hope that it brings more people into our world and hobby that we know as gaming. If it helps us grow as a community, then so be it.
Re: Project NATAL = HUGE Money Maker for MS
07/15/10 6:03 pm | #51
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honestly i think the playstation move will be alot better it will just have better games for it if kinect had better games i would probably get it
Re: Project NATAL = HUGE Money Maker for MS
07/15/10 6:46 pm | #52
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I love casual gaming. I'm sick and tired of all these "HARDCORE SHOOTERS". I like to sit back and just relax, and maybe even use my brain in the process..
Re: Project NATAL = HUGE Money Maker for MS
07/15/10 9:14 pm | #53
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@Crustyhippy I totally agree with you. It is nice to have some games you can just relax on. I think Kinect will have some nice onces.
Re: Project NATAL = HUGE Money Maker for MS
07/16/10 1:17 am | #55
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The only thing is that basically all of the games that they are marketing for the Move are games that most people would not actually want to play without a controller. Where as Kinect is marketing towards a different type of game. Something a bit more casual, though not exactly marketed towards those who do not really play games. On the Tony Hawk Ride, that was kind of a fail because I believe most people don't really want to play a game like that for hours at a time while on a board. I mean, I don't even want to be standing for 8+ hours at work much less any other time. What is the difference between this and the Kinect?
The games that are being marketed with the Kinect are games that I would not mind playing for a few hours while standing up. Like dancing (DDR pulled it off, why not a different version? Though I know DDR is in a category of it's own.), the exercise, and other movement friendly games. Not to mention that if anyone could do it M$ could. I mean what is there in gaming that a few billion dollars could not fix?
You say 900 titles for the Wii? How many people ACTUALLY use the motion control for the Wii on most of those games? The Metroid games, controller. Super Smash Brothers Brawl, controller any music games, they just use the Wii Mote to turn it into something that's not even motion sensored. Animal Crossing, controller.
Anyways, may I ask out of how many people in this post has ACTUALLY used a Kinect yet? Just wondering.
The games that are being marketed with the Kinect are games that I would not mind playing for a few hours while standing up. Like dancing (DDR pulled it off, why not a different version? Though I know DDR is in a category of it's own.), the exercise, and other movement friendly games. Not to mention that if anyone could do it M$ could. I mean what is there in gaming that a few billion dollars could not fix?
You say 900 titles for the Wii? How many people ACTUALLY use the motion control for the Wii on most of those games? The Metroid games, controller. Super Smash Brothers Brawl, controller any music games, they just use the Wii Mote to turn it into something that's not even motion sensored. Animal Crossing, controller.
Anyways, may I ask out of how many people in this post has ACTUALLY used a Kinect yet? Just wondering.
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07/16/10 1:24 am | #57
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Anyways, may I ask out of how many people in this post has ACTUALLY used a Kinect yet? Just wondering.
I have
it sucked 
Re: Project NATAL = HUGE Money Maker for MS
07/16/10 1:33 am | #58
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Exercising + gaming is awesome.. I like gaming and I need to keep in shape for racing (athlete over here...), so I think it's pretty important to have exercise and standing up with gaming.. AND it's fun 
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Re: Re: Re: Project NATAL = HUGE Money Maker for MS
07/17/10 12:02 am | #60
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Quote by Crustyhippy:
Exercising + gaming is awesome.. I like gaming and I need to keep in shape for racing (athlete over here...), so I think it's pretty important to have exercise and standing up with gaming.. AND it's fun .
.Of course, and I agree to and extent. But what happens when you already have an excersise schedule you already stick to? The last thing you want to do is jog 5 miles then come home and jump up and down in from of your tv
That is when you play something other than Kinect! =]
