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(Source: BBC News) The USA, that proselytising bastion of the “free market,” is once again using public money to bail out the failure of capitalists at Citigroup. Thirteen point four thousand million pounds are going into the hole created by the piratical adventurism of the Citigroup management. Money that could have been spent on welfare, housing, education, health. But spending money on essential public services is, of course, against The American Way. That would be foolish, that would be socialism! Far better to spend trillions of dollars on an illegal war and then pour billions more into businesses run by inept fatcats. For the US ruling class, essential infrastructure isn’t worth investing in. War and bonuses for reckless management, now those are things worthy of support. Oh, and if you think $20bn is a crapload of money, don’t worry, this follows $25bn of public money thrown at the bank last month. Ordinary people all around the world must be thinking, “Surely it would be cheaper for us if these businesses had been nationalised all along?”

Im so so tired of the scum of the earth aka republicans spamming their bullshit storys via email or robocallers. Cry about socialism while capitalism fails you every day.
You people (repubs) bitch about obama and how he will hurt this country when you're own boy BUSH has ruined it and ran it into the ground for over 8 years. His admins allowed torture of human beings every day for as long as they liked. People were stuck into sealed box's and the gasped for air as the oxygen ran out in the box... moments from death they were let out.

Is this what you really stand up for? A man like that? Ideas like that?

This country is a huge joke, were are now infact the scum bags of the earth. We used to be known as a caring nation one that would never allow tourture of individuals and we also lived under that assumption for 8 years untill the truth came out.

So before you bitch about Obama, You had better learn the facts on EVERYTHING bush allowed.
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You can read about all the torture here.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/torture/2009/03/
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We used to be known as a caring nation? When was this; sans 1950? I haven't known America to be a kind, caring nation in all of the years I have walked this earth. I love how Bush is going to be the scapegoat to all Democrats for years to come. I mean, you guys must think you have a free pass; all 'Well, no matter how bad our representatives fuck up, the Republicans backed Bush'. You guys hated Bush so bad? Why was he in there for eight years?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a Republican, nor do I defend them, but I don't think that Democrats should get a free pass either. The only thing worse than either of these parties is when they get together and collaborate; look the fuck out when that happens. Wake up people, Obama is not your savior. Has his election shown that we have grown as a people, yes I will give you that. Does his election mean the end of racism and radical thinking? Definitely not. I know a girl, who lives here in Massachusetts, but is originally from Georgia. We were watching the news when the election was covered, and she started talking about the candidates. She said, and I quote, "I mean, I would have voted for Obama, but he is black..." That shocked me, but gave an incite to how the world really is in other places.

Capitalism is failing? I don't know, it seems to have supported you fine for this many years. Any system is obviously flawed; there are too many idiots in a group of people to make anything work correctly, and too many factors to justify everything. Sure, a person is smart, but people are dumb.

And what does capitalism have to do with torture? Bush allowed torture during his stay in office? That may be true, but do you think that this was something new that just started eight years ago? We dropped a fucking A-Bomb that wiped out a portion of Japan because they attacked a military base, does it really surprise you that we would torture without cause? Do you honestly think that Obama would put a stop to it?

I'm not defending any of these actions, or condoning them; I just think that all of this blind faith in Obama is going to leave many of you sorely disappointed. And I am saying this as a Democrat.

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Yes, I do think Obama will stop torture.
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You know, I think the problem is that when ANYONE has too much power things go bad. I could list a bunch of things that both Democrats & Republicans have done that have led to the current state of the economy. The two main problems is that many people didn't know better (who is at fault for that is debatable) and that most of these massive corporations failed and got too money hungry.

I could list ALL the major financial institutions that lent to anyone and everyone so they could line their pockets, or the ones that flat out lied and IMO probably bribed officials to look the other way about his/her organization. Or look at the car manufacturers.... Ford was the only one of the major 3 that didn't need bailout money right away, let them use their corporate jets, they obviously have a better idea how to run a business, the other two took bigger risks and didn't manage their money as well.

There is no such thing as a perfect system, that can only exist in a utopia where everyone is perfect. Every system relies on the people in power doing the right thing and not being corrupt.

Our system is failing and we are bailing it out the wrong way by making the govt do it. It would SUCK if we didn't because we would probably be in a full blown depression like the 1930s again. The more the government controls any business the more likely it is for one bad pres/congress to screw the people royally.

I never once said Obama was a terrible pres, nor will I say he is a great pres. Only time will tell who he is. I applaud him for stopping the torture, but I disagree with SOME (not all) of the ways he is handling the economy issue.

The GREAT thing about America is that it is my RIGHT to disagree with what he does and say it. I am not a Republican, I am fairly conservative on some issues and more liberal on others.

The only thing I would suggest is to not assume everyone who is a "Republican" believes everything and frankly Bush was the pres and screwed some stuff up, but he personally didn't cause all the problems this country is facing. MANY people did that - both Dems and Republicans.

Capitalism is the best type of system this world has because there are many checks and balances, it isn't perfect, but it is good. No one HAD to bank with Citi, they chose to. The government didn't make them do it, the government didn't make Citi give out subprime loans or loans to people who SHOULDNT have got them. So the only reason capitalism fails is people, plain and simple, same reason any other system fails. The only thing the govt can be blamed for is not having more regulations on the banks, which is counter to many of the things that capitalism stands for.

And really any argument about any system is moot, we live in a society that is capitalist, SOME of the things we are doing lean more towards socialism, but not completely. We should all stop pointing fingers at either party and focus on making our society better.

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(Source: BBC News) The USA, that proselytising bastion of the �free market,� is once again using public money to bail out the failure of capitalists at Citigroup. Thirteen point four thousand million pounds are going into the hole created by the piratical adventurism of the Citigroup management. Money that could have been spent on welfare, housing, education, health. But spending money on essential public services is, of course, against The American Way. That would be foolish, that would be socialism! Far better to spend trillions of dollars on an illegal war and then pour billions more into businesses run by inept fatcats. For the US ruling class, essential infrastructure isn�t worth investing in. War and bonuses for reckless management, now those are things worthy of support. Oh, and if you think $20bn is a crapload of money, don�t worry, this follows $25bn of public money thrown at the bank last month. Ordinary people all around the world must be thinking, �Surely it would be cheaper for us if these businesses had been nationalised all along?�

Im so so tired of the scum of the earth aka republicans spamming their bullshit storys via email or robocallers. Cry about socialism while capitalism fails you every day.
You people (repubs) bitch about obama and how he will hurt this country when you're own boy BUSH has ruined it and ran it into the ground for over 8 years. His admins allowed torture of human beings every day for as long as they liked. People were stuck into sealed box's and the gasped for air as the oxygen ran out in the box... moments from death they were let out.

Is this what you really stand up for? A man like that? Ideas like that?

This country is a huge joke, were are now infact the scum bags of the earth. We used to be known as a caring nation one that would never allow tourture of individuals and we also lived under that assumption for 8 years untill the truth came out.

So before you bitch about Obama, You had better learn the facts on EVERYTHING bush allowed.



I find it funny that you named this thread "Capitalism=fail." What you cut and pasted may have been about economic policy. Then what happened was as soon as you started typing in your own words, it turned into a Republican bashing thread.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES TORTURE HAVE TO DO WITH CAPITALISM????????

You can't even stay on topic in your own post! George W. Bush didn't start capitalism in this country anyway. I think your problem is with human nature, not a certain type of government or economic policy. It seems to me that you should have a problem with democracy. Voters had two opportunities to NOT put Bush in the white house.

I think it's hilarious that this site has two "=fail" threads. One for socialism and one for capitalism. Isn't it communism that really fails?

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Republicans are the "scum of the earth?" I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound. Statements like that don't strengthen your argument. In actuality, they incredibly weaken it revealing that you're so rooted in your beliefs that you can't even acknowledge an opposing view. Nothing is ever clear-cut. I classify myself as a Libertarian, the very antithesis of your own school of thought. Despite this, I still see and acknowledge that there are virtues to socialism.

By not doing the same for capitalism, the Republican party, or whatever it is you're protesting, you're only showing your ignorance and political immobility. If you were actually weighing the facts, you'd never reach the conclusion that nearly fifty percent of the American population is the "scum of the earth." Please, think before you write, and think before you decide.

For the record, Bush is not my boy. Neoconservatives are not my boys. Not all of any political party can be lumped together as one, as there were will always be opposing views within parties.

Also, Bush is not the reason we're hated around the world, although he certainly exacerbated the situation. Actually, the hatred towards America most recognizably began back with Theodore Roosevelt and his "big stick" policy. Roosevelt marks the beginning of serious American imperialism, rampant militarism and foreign repression. He was the single reason for the invasion of the Philippines, even when he was only an assistant secretary to the Navy Secretary at the time. In the ensuing Philippine-American war, hundreds of thousands of Filipinos were killed. Hatred for the United States spread.

Of course, if we're talking about the Middle East we should probably look to Harry Truman who recognized the State of Israel as soon as it was created, contrary to the advice of his State Department and Defense Department, as well as our European allies.

Also, keep in mind Bill Clinton's military interventions such as those in Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo. Militarism is the problem. Clearly the negative image of America is not due to one man or one party.

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Yah I know my post was off topic sorta but I simply hate republicans. I hate what they say, I hate their ideas, I hate that they try to relate to something they know nothing about (poverty, working poor, etc.) And yes I blame them for this current economic situation.
Face the facts that most republicans are rich, they in turn are hording all of their money and not spending because they are afraid which in turn screws the economy. Less fortunate people have nothing to do with this situation because they are spending no more or no less and most of them dont own a house or loans.

Im proud to say I bought everything I own outright. No loans.
I am by no means rich, or poor. But I work very hard for what I have.

I prob unlike most of you all work around a lot of republicans every day. I see EVERYDAY how ignorant and arrogant they are.
Sure they are not ALL that way but the majority of them are IMO.




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