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Since you did not reply to my posts about how important the military is to America I sort of went a little off topic.

What is funny is how when confronted with real world repercussions to possible Obama actions you do not know what to say.

Look at the PX next time you are on the base. Look at all of the every day items a soldier needs. Razors, shaving cream, underwear, socks, tooth paste, soap, and the list goes on. Cutting the number of troops in the military reduces the amount of items sold to them.

Then look at the military hardware that is needed to support the military. Every since nut, bolt, and washer comes from a US company. That is REQUIRED by federal law. Every scrap of material that goes into ANYTHING the military uses must come from the USA.

Even the raw material must come the US. Cut the military and see the impact on American Industry. Carter did it and look how bad our economy got. One example I know first hand. Carter cut the B1 bomber. Rockford Illinois had several companies who made parts for this program. They were all hurt and had to cut workers. Where do several thousand skilled workers find replacement jobs?

Take those several thousand skilled workers out of the tax base and what happens? Less tax money to spend on social welfare! See the problem now?

That is only one example of industry hurt by a cut programs to increase social welfare type of mentality.

So, lets look at some numbers. Like I said before. I work at a company that makes items for the defense industry. We have 60 employees. About 50% of our business is defense related and all aviation related.

Two programs get cut, that Obama has marked to be cut, F22 and F35. We loose half of our business. We lay off half of our work force. Lockheed who makes these two aircraft close plants in Georgia and Texas. Other companies around the US close because they no longer have contracts to make parts for the military. Companies in Illinois, New York, California, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, Alaska, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and so on. Pretty much every state will be affected. So, 50 sates and say 20,000 per state, 1million out of work. How can loosing 1 million people fro the tax base because of two programs be canceled still allow for $1 trillion in new spending?

The math does not work too well.

So, making the same mistakes as Carter and Hoover do not make sense. So, how can cutting programs to use that money for social programs work? Answer that!

I'm assuming you're talking to me here, I feel SO SPECIAL that the republican troll has singled me out.

You keep making the mistake of thinking I support Obama. I do not. I support anyone who is not McCain. And I will defend Obama to the end against small minded racists who attack him for stupid things that have nothing to do with the presidency, the same as I'd defend anyone.



I'm no statistician, but I'm close to positive that people will still brush their teeth, use soap, shower, shave and wear clothes if they are not in the military. So gillette can breathe easy.



don't pretend that republicans are interested in any welfare besides corporate.


Blah blah blah I could reply to each and every part of your post, but here's the gist of it. The american people can no longer afford to pay your bills. You're worried like a welfare mom as to what happens if the government takes away your money. You, and people in your industry are profiting off the death and sacrifice of thousands of people who have balls you just don't have. Of COURSE you want the US to have continued presence in Iraq... of COURSE you think we should invade Iran, Russia, China. War is money for you, and people in your industry, isn't it? It's job security that peace cannot offer.

Bottom line, if the military is cut, your company and those like it will have to find some other way to make money- get more clients in the private sector, find other things to make, hell, I don't know! Do what every other industry does when the industry is no longer needed. That's what happens. Things become expendable. Things change. Society changes.

We (as in everyone NOT profiting off the war) can't afford the money the war is costing, and we can't afford the life the war is costing, and we can't afford to sustain the military. Which is a good thing. People who are thinking of the country as a whole would realize that it's better to look at quality over quantity. It's sad that so many people in the military are so bad, but that's what happens when you hand out waivers left and right to get the underqualified and nonqualified into the military for their physical presence alone. What threat is a bloated, untrained, undisciplined military? Not one that will keep us safe.

Just VOTE 4 who u want the end

I Hate Politics

Oh GOD NO Shock, I'm not voting! I want no part in this cartoon character election!

LMAO

You still insult me, typical.

We also make parts for civilian aircraft.

Hanes, Fruit of the Loom, Right Guard, and many many more supply the military. They would suffer as well.

Forget the war. Prior to that the military was and still is a major driver of the US economy. Even with out war the military consumes a large amount of resources, and yes money. It also helps to drive the economy. Look back in history.

During Vietnam the US economy was in good shape, after the war, it fell off.

During the Reagan years the Economy started to grow quickly because the military was building back up. Clinton cut things and it began to falter.

Prior to World War II the entire world was in the worst economic shape ever. Military spending prior to and during the war straightened everything out.

Hoover cut the military. The Washington Naval treaties shut down shipyards after restricting warships. The US was in a major hurt at the time, people were out of work, but yet programs were cut.

The current mess the nation is in will correct itself. But the war is not to blame. Cutting spending from one department and shifting it to another will not work. It did not work in the 1930s, the 1970s and it will not work now.

To be honest we do not need tax cuts we need to raise taxes. We also need to make sure EVERYONE!!!!!!! Pays their fair share. That means those form the top down.

Since American industry has pretty much left the nation people are hurting for decent paying jobs. How can a machinist who made $15/hour live off of working at Mc Donalds or Wal-Mart?


Here is another example not related the military. The democratic platform does not support drilling for oil of shore of the US or in Alaska. They wish to use different sources, which I do agree with BTW. However shutting down the drilling industry and supporting industries will also hurt. Just as Reagans Trickle Down economic system worked, Trickle down manufacturing also works. It is a simple economic principle, supply and demand. With now demand for drilling pipe, that industry shuts down.

People will then say but they can change to another type of manufacturing. Sure, but not every factory or ex employee is suited to change.

Typical. Complain, Complain, BUT do nothing about it.

We need miltary, however I dont think the usa needs 2 get involved in everything in the world

wouldn't the money they put into off shore drilling be better served subsidizing the purchase of hybrid cars and funding alternative fuel research rather than risking the destruction of our earth?

its sould be 50-50

If every low income family that can only afford to buy a pos that just SPEWS crap into the air and guzzles gas could get a grant subsidizing 15k of the purchase price of a hybrid car, how quickly would we become less dependent on foreign oil?

good point

So industry then has to give money to people so they can buy a Hybrid?

Tax money is not spent drilling for oil.

You know what would bring everyone together? Have me as your President. Or have more sexy soldiers like me. What you guys think?

well look at the usa under bush it sure the hell hasnt improved and i dont see McCain doing better lets take heath care WTF Its getting to the point people cant enjoy life because we cant afford to do stuff (well except the rich or well off)
If things dont get better soon I'll end up cancel internet/cable and not buy games so what am I supposed to do? Oh yeah pay more taxes WOW thats fun >